Tuesday, 15 July 2025

On giving advice; a wide-ranging theological and philosophical discussion with @themachinelies9534 ​




3:00  Nazi Holocaust
5:00  Masculinity
7:00  Should men defend territory?
12:00  The meaning of suffering
13:00  Cause and effect/karma
14:00  Reincarnation

Rabbi Mizrachi on Down's Syndrome children

17:00  Questions
18:00  Winning the argument attracts punishment from losers.

Mutazilism is closest to the Ultra Orthodox conception of God.

21:00  Jews were allowed to study the Torah in peace, but not Islamic jurists.

23:00  What's a Gazan and Jew to do?

What would God want them to do?

24:00  Not seeing God as omnipotent and perfectly moral is blasphemy.  

The sin of blasphemy is its own punishment. 

25:00  The fewer the people who are rewarded for practising TLM, the fewer there will be those who practise it. 

26:00  Losing the argument is losing an error. 

27:00  Suffering is either a test or punishment for sin. 

It ain't what happens to you, it's how you deal with it. 

28:00  Being made to repeat a year if we have failed to pass an exam.  

29:00  The beginning and an end to the universe

31:00  Heaven

Being an Bodhisattva 

32:00  Are prophets Bodhisattvas?

33:00  Chesed, Compassion and shafiqa(?)

35:00  The giving of advice

36:00  Liberalism includes egalitarianism.

The military is unworkable without hierarchy. 

37:00  If there were no Supreme Court

38:00  In a society that has no religion, every generation will regard every other generation as traitors and thoughtcriminals to blame for whatever is wrong with society after they are tired of blaming Jews. 

40:00  Those who use TLM must be rewarded over those who do not or the numbers of those who use TLM will become fewer and fewer and our society suffer ever-widening degeneracy and decline. 

Agnosticism and heroic failures

41:00  Unprincipled cowards and hypocrites will always support the people whom they think will win or have won. A coordinated response will shock and awe.

42:00  Rehearsing our arguments repeatedly

43:00  In God's waiting room

44:00  Free speech - use it or lose it. 

45:00  Right thought, right speech, right action.


48:00  THE MACHINE LIES joins.

49:00  Liberalism gave birth to its executioner - the technological society?

Liberalism, Conservatism and Christianity have no codified principles. 

50:00  With no codified principles, Liberalism, Conservatism and Christianity will be whatever corrupt and incompetent political leaders and intellectuals say they are.  

51:00  Secularism

52:00  Mutazilites

53:00  God moves in mysterious ways. 

The attributes of God make Him worthy of worship.

54:00  The Third Principle of Judaism

55:00  Natural law is divine law. 

56:00  Theodicy

Is nature good or bad?

57:00  AI came from God.

Tower of Babel

58:00  Whether the End Times come today or in a thousand years, we are still expected to obey God's laws. 

Which set of God's laws should humanity obey?

59:00  Zohar

Can we and should we?

1:00:00  The government

1:01:00  George Washington's farewell speech

1:02:00  The presumption of failure

1:03:00  Americans don't expect their own constitution.

Hindu caste system

1:04:00  The merchant class have no business running government but representative democracy gives them the green light. 

1:05:00  The CCP  have the advantage of not having general elections. 

1:06:00  America is already a military dictatorship. 

1:08:00  Full spectrum global domination

1:09:00  Islamophobia

1:10:00  The evil British government

Trump has gone native. 

1:11:00  Globalism is defeated by tariffs. 

1:12:00  Historical tragedy

Genghis Khan was not Muslim. 

1:13:00  Islam is an imperial religion. 

1:14:00  Could America become the Caliphate?

The Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim. 

1:15:00  Was the American Revolution even about tea and taxes or the Masonic principle of creating a fraternity of the Abrahamic religions?

1:17:00  The Koran encourages literacy.

William Tyndale who translated the Bible to English was burned at the stake over the translation of words. 

One of the most significant points of contention between William Tyndale and the Catholic authorities was his choice of certain words in his English Bible translation, which challenged the Church's theological control. A key example is Tyndale's use of the word **"congregation"** instead of **"church"** to translate the Greek word *ekklesia*.

### Context and Disagreement:
- **Theological Implications**: The Greek term *ekklesia* in the New Testament refers to a gathering or assembly of believers. The Catholic Church preferred the term "church," which had come to signify the institutional hierarchy and authority of the Catholic establishment. Tyndale's choice of "congregation" emphasized a community of believers rather than a centralized, hierarchical institution, aligning with Protestant Reformation ideas that prioritized scripture and individual faith over ecclesiastical authority. 
- **Challenge to Authority**: By using "congregation," Tyndale's translation suggested that the true "church" was the body of believers, not the Catholic Church's institutional structure. This was seen as subversive because it undermined the Church's claim to be the sole mediator between God and the faithful. 
- **Other Terms**: Tyndale also used terms like **"elder"** instead of **"priest"** (for the Greek *presbyteros*) and **"repentance"** instead of **"penance"** (for *metanoia*). These choices further shifted focus away from Catholic sacramental practices and clergy authority toward personal faith and scripture-based worship.

### Why It Mattered:
The Catholic Church and English authorities viewed Tyndale's word choices as deliberate attacks on their doctrine and power. At the time, translating the Bible into the vernacular was already controversial, as it allowed laypeople to interpret scripture directly, bypassing the Church's control. Tyndale's translations, with their Protestant-leaning terminology and critical prefaces, were seen as heretical and a threat to the established order.

### Outcome:
This disagreement over key terms contributed significantly to Tyndale's condemnation. His translations were banned in England, and copies were publicly burned. The authorities accused him of heresy, not just for translating the Bible but for the theological implications of his word choices, which fueled Reformation ideas. This was a major factor in his arrest, trial, and execution in 1536.

Tyndale's linguistic choices had a lasting impact, as his translations influenced later English Bibles, including the King James Version, and helped shape Protestant theology.

1:19:00  Communism

1:20:00  Dialectical/historical materialism

1:21:00  The Koran is fair enough. 

Muslims are not using the Koran as a manifesto. 

1:23:00  Hypocrites go to hell. 

Christianity is just a cultural and class affiliation for white middle class people. 

1:25:00  Thomas Jefferson

Progressive ideologies of Liberalism and Communism v believing in God and the afterlife

1:27:00  Marx's parents converted to Lutheranism.

1:28:00  Are we living better than our ancestors?

1:29:00  Our ancestors were more obedient to God's laws than us because they took marriage seriously. 

1:30:00  The failure of Christo-Liberalism

1:31:00  Christendom ended in 1918.

1:32:00  Absolute monarchs still exist in Islam. 

1:33:00  Sunni Muslims are leaderless. 

1:34:00  Judicial independence is necessary for justice.  

1:35:00  Jews were left alone to speculate on the nature of God while Islamic jurists had to make political decisions fearing the punishment of an absolute monarch. 

1:36:00  Muslims are discouraged from discussing race, religion and royalty in their Muslim countries. 

Kabbalah blah blah

1:37:00  The Zohar and the London Kabbalah Centre

1:38:00  Spirituality is vaguely comforting.

1:39:00  Unmarried women and authoritative men

1:40:00  Idolatry is not taken seriously by hypocrites calling themselves Jews, Christians and Muslims.

1:42:00  Manis Friedman's heresy

1:44:00  Kabbalah blah  blah

1:46:00  We choose to believe government policy.

1:47:00  The moral standard of the law must not be too low. 

"What is the truth?"

"Truth is the opinion of the powerful."

1:48:00  Kabbalah blah blah

1:40:00  Allah is Zionist.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/allah-is-a-zionist

1:50:00  Israeli Jews must live under sharia if they are to enjoy peace in the Middle East. 

1:51:00  Techno-Liberalism

1:52:00  Israeli is an American colony. 

1:53:00  Britain had its eye on Israel for centuries.

Emmanuel Swedenborg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Swedenborg

1:55:00  British Israelism

1:58:00  Australians

1:59:00  Iceland and Greenland

2:00:00  Israel is the unsinkable aircraft carrier of America. 

Kabbalah blah blah

2:01:00  Martin Luther

2:02:00  Oliver Cromwell

E Michael Jones

2:03:00  Why some people prefer the road of Christianity

2:05:00  Kabbalah blah blah

Varieties of Zionism

2:09:00  Islamic scholars have no understanding of political theory. 

Jewish parents can more easily bring up believing Jewish children in Iran than in Israel.

2:10:00  Chief Rabbi of Iran

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/06/israel-iran-qasem-soleimani-jewish-community-coronavirus.html

Golda Meir

2:13:00  Nayib Bukele is Muslim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayib_Bukele

2:15:00  Islam will fill the vacuum of Christianity.

2:16:00  Liberalism leads to sexual liberation from the rules of marriage and good parenting. 

2:19:00  Women should keep out of politics.

2:21:00  Christians are really atheists. 

2:22:00  Does God if He exists only want us to have sex with our spouse?

What happens if we break the rules of marriage and good parenting?

2:23:00  The father is only a sperm donor under feminism. 

2:24:00  Western men can't get  it together to abolish no fault box. 

2:25:00  Gender roles will only be taken seriously by people who want to become married parents. 

2:27:00  Good parenting

2:28:00  Weapon words provided by schools and universities for children against their parents

Friends and family

2:30:00   Reading from The Technological Society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Technological_Society

2:33:00  Neurosis

2:34:00  Lived experience is holy writ to atheists. 

2:39:00  Fake debates

2:40:00  Difference between valid and sound arguments

2:45:00  Theocracies

2:46:00  The trial of Jesus

2:47:00  https://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=18&verse=4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_of_the_mubahala

2:48:00  Paul of Tarsus

2:50:00  Romans 13

2:51:00  Defending the divine right of kings

2:52:00  Muslims rejecting monarchy

2:53:00  Lord Acton on absolute power

2:56:00  Our attachment to our phones

3:03:00  Feminism is divide and rule. 

3:05:00  Apps for our phone for good or ill

3:06:00  Idolaters v Muslims

3:07:00  Humility as a virtue

3:08:00  Values of liberty and obedience

3:09:00  Free will

3:11:00  Liberty is what we ought to have after all the necessary laws are in place. 

God knows better than liberals and libertarians what are the necessary laws. 

3:13:00  The Koran says we have free will. 

Compatibilism

While the Quran doesn't have a single verse explicitly stating "free will," several verses indirectly support the concept by emphasizing human responsibility and choice. One key verse is Surah Al-Kahf (18:29), which states, "And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." This verse highlights that individuals have the power to choose their belief. 

Other verses that support the idea of free will include:

Quran 76:30:

"And you do not will except that Allah wills". This verse is often cited to show the interplay between divine will and human will, suggesting that while Allah's will is overarching, human beings still have a degree of choice and agency. 

Quran 18:29:

"And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills – let him believe; and whoever wills – let him disbelieve." This verse explicitly gives humans the choice to believe or disbelieve. 

Quran 41:40:

"Do whatever you will...". This verse implies that humans have the freedom to act as they choose. 

Quran 8:53:

This verse speaks about how God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves, further emphasizing individual agency. 

These verses, among others, suggest that while Allah's knowledge and will are comprehensive, humans are still endowed with the capacity to make choices and are held accountable for their actions. The concept of free will in Islam is often discussed in relation to divine decree or predestination (Qadar), and the Quranic verses are interpreted to show how these two concepts coexist. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_Slavery 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

3:19:00  The physical and metaphysical universe

3:21:00  A theopolitical state

3:22:00  Monoculture

3:23:00  The divine narratives

3:24:00  Why Jews, Christians and Muslims suffer

3:25:00  The solution

3:26:00  Why the Caliphate crashed

3:27:00  Caliphates cannot be kings.

The Balfour Declaration

3:28:00  Lenin

Theodore Herzl

3:29:00  AI

3:30:00  Banning sex bots, porn etc

3:31:00  It's better to know we are the slaves of God than to not know.

3:32:00  Being a happy slave

3:33:00  God as a constitutional monarch

3:35:00  The rules must be fair enough. 

3:36:00  Successful and unsuccessful imperialism

3:37:00  Stupid, evil or mad neocons on both sides of the Atlantic

3:38:00  Ukraine and Iran

Liberal democracy should be abandoned. 

3:39:00  Trump supporters

3:40:00  British dominions and British Commonwealth

3:42:00  The Crown by Netflix

The Americans want monarchies to remain monarchies.  

3:43:00  Suez Crisis

3:44:00  Punch and Judy Show

3:46:00  Emmanuel Macron

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