Sunday 18 September 2022

A discussion of Secular Koranism on a white Muslim channel

 


50:00  Secular Koranism would have a flat rate income tax of 20% payable only by people not on a low income.

54:00  Secular Koranism proposes a one-party theocracy.

57:00  Define tyranny. We have already heard of the tyranny of the majority. Is William actually calling the laws of God "tyranny"? Now that is a surprise since he is supposed to be Muslim and Muslims are supposed to support sharia, and sharia is based on the laws of God in the Koran.

Americans  who have never heard of Secular Koranism have already been talking about a second American Civil War.  

Obviously, this idea needs to be properly introduced to Americans with the cooperation of their ruling classes through mainstream media.

The cat is out of the bag as regards Secular Koranism. Even if I called it something else, the many Islamophobes who are already aware of it would say it is based on the Koran and I am not going to deny it.

58:00  So was everyone in Mecca after the Meccan Revolution already Muslim before sharia was imposed there?

59:00  Secular Koranism is the middle way between more globohomo and a violent revolution. It would only be the "extreme solution" that Adam labels it as if there is another solution that would solve the political problems of America. So what is this moderate solution that is being proposed by whom?

There are already plenty of laws people obey that they disagree with because they fear punishment. Are you really claiming American Muslims agree with all US laws?

1:02:00  All laws that you disagree with that you have to obey are oppressive. Does William really think there will come a time when all Americans will agree to obey laws in the Koran? Does he think that will happen in his lifetime? If not, is he prepared to make the case for sharia in his lifetime? If not, is he prepared to support anyone who does? Or does he already assume defeat and dissociates himself from this proposal to avoid attracting controversy, opposition and accusations? If that is his reason for withholding his support, what about the Islamic obligation to enjoin good and forbid evil?

1:03:00  Freedom of belief is guaranteed by the First Amendment. Does that extend to the right of Muslims to propose sharia after making the case that Christianity is kaput? Or are Muslim men too afraid to find out?

1:04:00  What was the question Adam was trying to ask?

1:05:00  According to the Christian narrative, Jesus was crucified for blasphemy, wasn't he? I, an agnostic non-Muslim female, am more prepared to obey quran.com/18/4 than Muslim men claiming to believe in God.

1:06:00  What does C J Moore think I am confused about? I am not confused about Koranic principles being a source of social conservatism. There are still Americans who want social conservatism, aren't there? These would be Trump supporters identifying as Christian, but Christianity is kaput because it has failed to give them social conservatism ie protect the institutions of marriage and the family. How is deducing that Americans need a moral system that actually forbids and punishes extramarital sex with quran.com/4/15quran.com/4/16 and quran.com/24/2, evidence of "confusion"?

If I, a non-Muslim female agnostic can come to this conclusion, why not Muslim men?

1:07:00  Are we to assume that in an Islamic State run by William, he is going to ignore quran.com/2/256 and force everyone to be Muslim?That would be also unAmerican, because the First Amendment is based on this verse.

Secular Koranism neither bans pig farms nor requires everyone in the country to eat halal food only. American pig farmers need not fear Secular Koranism with American Characteristics. 

1:09:00  There is more than one way to skin a cat. The Koran can be sold as a political manifesto promoting social conservatism to protect the institutions of marriage and the family. If social conservatives who are atheists and agnostics can be sold on that alone, why would you not do your dawah this way?


1:10:00  If you are already Muslim, you would be avoiding pork anyway, but Secular Koranism does not ban pork.

quran.com/4/15 does mention house arrest, doesn't it? quran.com/24/2 does prescribe 100 lashes which would be meted out to those whose guilt is undeniable - unmarried parents. 

1:11:00  I am not picking and choosing because Secular Koranism is not my personal selection of God's laws in the Koran that I want to have enforced by law, because I am going to enforce all the commandments and prohibitions of God.  The methodology of Secular Koranism and interpretation is unique to me, however.

The judiciary gets to decide on the interpretation of the Koran.

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