1:27:00 Ian Campbell:
But I had this thought a while ago about martyrs and how we have a lot of like stick in the mud traditionalist martyrs where they're, like, "I'm not going to change what I'm doing, society be damned." That's one way to do it. But I feel like we need some martyrs that are willing to like go beyond the walls that have been set up for us by forces outside of ourselves, even just handed down to us. Go into the wilderness, maybe slay a dragon, and then come back and help orient the society through that type of martyrdom. You might even have to die in the process of fighting this dragon. It might take 10,000 martyrs to accomplish anything material, but the process of living your life set against the things that are parasitic or improper false sort of lenses that are distorting our view. That's going to be a process of encounter and experience and and maybe listening to this we sort of sense that things are wrong like where we started this conversation. I think it is only through the living of these experiences and these phenomena that we will be able to recover meaning.
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