11:48 AM
@OOOTLAM
The 12 Steps is the unofficial religion of America. Step 4 is key to restoring sanity to the American Republic.
11:49 AM
@OOOTLAM
@TheyRobb Which Church would you say won the Wars of the Reformation? The Orthodox Church has lost its monarchs so the winner must be the C of E.
11:51 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
The matriarchy promotes mediocrity.
11:51 AM
@TheyRobb
#3
@claire, I'd say Catholics won the Reformation, hence why Obama had Pope on WH balcony on the 500th anniversary of the Reformation and also seen with Biden, Vance, and Supreme Court, etc
11:52 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb The point is that Christianity did not even the defend the divine right of kings to rule. King Charles has fewer rights than the average US citizen.
11:53 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb There may be more Catholics, but the Pope in practice submits to the liberal order. Pope Francis was a Catholic universalist, but no one noticed.
11:53 AM
@TheyRobb
likewise Britan won the American Revolution as seen with Trump had King Charles on WH balcony of 250th anniversary of Revolution
11:54 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb NATO is the Delian League and its members US vassal states.
11:55 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb The British Royal Family but the puppets of the Punch and Judy Show.
11:56 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG Charles converting to Islam would precipitate a constitutional crisis and utterly destroy the C of E. That is how I see SK UK happening.
11:56 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
@OOOTLAM wtf starts off a conversation like that
11:57 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG Just continuing the conversation from a previous stream!
11:57 AM
@TheyRobb
Claire, most dont comprehend what the World Wars was about, it was European royal cousins fighting over the Napoleonic spoils of Holy Roman Empire, which is part of Christian Imperialism - Christendom
11:57 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG You were saying SK was stupid, but I have a plan.
11:57 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
remind me what I said about thr King, Islam, or CoE
11:58 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
ooh I see
11:58 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
yea, still stupid
11:58 AM
@βρεττς
It’s powerful when you know you’re popular. You have to keep that power and check with your responsibility.
11:58 AM
@TheyRobb
HRE wad the military arm of The Church
11:59 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb WW1 and WW2 was a "brother war" as White Nationalists would call it. It was the Teutons killing each other making the point that neither race nor Christianity can be your religion.
11:59 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG You're saying SK is stupid because you couldn't see how it could happen. I am telling you how.
12:00 PM
@TheyRobb
Just because middle caste subjects dont know they are peasants doesn't mean they're aren't so
12:01 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
the plan is to for the head of the CoE and King of England reverts to Islam. And that's suppose to make reverse my stupid comment?
12:01 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb It is astonishing the Catholic Church is still around considering Rome fell in 476. The Catholic Church relies on unthinking Catholics who blindly follow the religion of their ancestors.
12:01 PM
@βρεττς
im complimentary
12:02 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG If King Charles wants to go down in history, that is what he could be doing as the British monarch who founded the Islamic Republic of Britain.
12:02 PM
@βρεττς
It was a profound statement to hear men were not created equally. Otherwise I played quarterback instead of Tom Brady.
12:03 PM
@TheyRobb
Charlemagne's First Reich usurped the Roman legacy, as was the Ottomans, and now United States
12:03 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb Are you aware of the verse in the Koran that warns people not to blindly follow the religion of their ancestors?
12:04 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb Rum? Which verse?
12:04 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
If they share the same “through line” the transition is easy
12:04 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
But we look at particulars and not waves
12:05 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
As I keep saying, the Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim Noahides and heretical Christians whose constitutional republic ended Christendom in 1918.
12:07 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Every new reveal reveals nothing new….
12:07 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
A constitutional monarchy does no one any good. A monarch only suffers to become a constitutional monarch because regicide is the alternative.
12:07 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
A Caliph is not a king. Dumb Muslims don't understand this either.
12:07 PM
@βρεττς
Some people have talent T. And respect respecting their better at something is love, isn’t it?
12:08 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
I think democracy works…but not if the society gets too big and disconnected
12:08 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb Surah 30 is called The Greeks in my edition.
12:09 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@SeekingGenuine George Washington warned against political parties.
12:10 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
@Claire and I agree it can be dangerous
12:12 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Islam is an imperial religion. The Founding Fathers were closer to Islam than Christianity. The First Amendment is supported by 2:256 of the Koran.
12:13 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Both Christianity and Islam are imperial religions. But what sane person wants to restore absolute monarchy?
12:14 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
America is guilty of malign encouragement by propping up the British monarchy and trying to foist a monarchy on the Iranians.
12:15 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Absolute monarchy is absolutely corrupt.
12:15 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Claire, why not jump on for this conversation?
12:15 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Tunji the Italian is from a republic. Does he want to restore the monarchy?
12:16 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@SeekingGenuine I feel I can make my points more economically and clearly here!
12:16 PM
@βρεττς
I think we know it would be “is it morality the most important thing? “
12:17 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
If people accept that Christianity was only used to defend the divine right of kings, it has utterly failed to do defend absolute monarchy because Christendom ended in 1918.
12:17 PM
@βρεττς
Republic democracy Olsen lol
12:18 PM
@TheyRobb
Republic is Roman, Democracy is Greek
12:18 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
If Christianity cannot defend the absolute monarchs it was supposed to defend, think what it is going to to you, non-monarch!
12:19 PM
@βρεττς
People just don’t trust the populous anymore. Therefore they’re struggling whether they think any form of democracy is beneficial. That’s the lie.
12:19 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Technocracies have been known to become extinct. It is religious groups that outlive ancient empires.
12:19 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Ship of fools! Go to the captain!
12:21 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
You cannot hold your rulers to account without a book of rules.
12:22 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
If only Christians would get over themselves and read the Koran to find out what they hate about it so much. I can only spoon feed you up to a point!
12:22 PM
@TheyRobb
the gentry is dead, a property deed is not synonymous with an allodial title
12:22 PM
@βρεττς
The constitution is the book of rules. But when people make it a living document that doesn’t mean what it actually says it gets confused.
12:23 PM
@βρεττς
We legislate morality
12:23 PM
@chrishoward8473
@OOOTLAM I've seen how Koran is employed. You're making an irrational claim that, should I read it I would come to a different end.
12:23 PM
@TheyRobb
legislature deals in ethics (state) not morality (church)
12:24 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@βρεττς The law is only as good as its enforcers and interpreters in the judiciary. Morallity is key and no one is interested in defining this.
12:24 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@chrishoward8473 The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
12:24 PM
@βρεττς
What do you think legislators? Do you think they only do things through an ethical lens. When you’re a Christian nation primarily they’re going to bring morality into their legislative agenda.
12:25 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
If you can’t speak with someone you disagree with, you are too zoomed in
12:25 PM
@TheyRobb
state is the realm of monarchs and church is the realm of bishops - ie jurisprudence of jurisdiction
12:25 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@TheyRobb Ethics is higher than morality which is higher than legality.
12:25 PM
@TheyRobb
morality is derived from mythos, ethics comes from logos
12:25 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Satan is rebellion from God.
12:26 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
when YOU are too important, then you will miss the point of encountering love (sin)
12:26 PM
@williambranch4283
Tolerance is superiority to what is tolerated
12:26 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Is idolatry Satanic? Of course it is. If Christianity is idolatry, then isn't Christianity Satanic?
12:27 PM
@TheyRobb
people conflate thevtwo terms for colloquial connotation yet they do not denote the same concept
12:27 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
I don’t think tolerance is love, it can allow for love if in good faith
12:27 PM
@WhiteStoneName
How many hours until it starts?
12:28 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
We should tolerate what cannot be helped. People cannot help themselves from falling into sin, but we can certainly uphold the law.
12:28 PM
@TheyRobb
the Pentarchy evolved from the Tetrarchy
12:28 PM
@WhiteStoneName
I actually agree with that last one, Claire.
12:29 PM
@williambranch4283
The law is sin
12:29 PM
@WhiteStoneName
"Who decides what is best for someone?" (that isn't abstract)
12:29 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Forget love, just concentrate on legality.
12:29 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
I got a freebie ticket to help with the event, There's a pub meet up tonight but it starts proper tomoz
12:30 PM
@williambranch4283
Luke ... we know it is the assholes who impose their will on others
12:30 PM
@WhiteStoneName
They have to, at least some, in order to exist, Chad. As I see it.
12:30 PM
@williambranch4283
Chad ... with gnashing of teeth
12:30 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
Is love something one does or something one is/participates within
12:30 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
We cannot love everyone, but we can agree on what the law should be, can't we, @chrishoward8473?
12:31 PM
@williambranch4283
My law not your law
12:31 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG You want me to have the freebie?
12:32 PM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@williambranch4283 God's laws are for everyone, aren't they?
12:31 PM
@williambranch4283
Yes seeking, participation is love, toleration involves no participation
12:32 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Because it feels like we are speaking as though it’s something we carry and drop like an object. Bit I think it’s more of a happening
12:32 PM
@TheyRobb
all dogs go to Valhalla
12:32 PM
@williambranch4283
G-d has no laws beyond raw power ... see Job
12:32 PM
@williambranch4283
Happening ... yes. Objects are materialism
12:33 PM
@OOOTLAM
#2
@WhiteStoneName Thank you for agreeing, Luke. We just have to agree on minimum standards of morality ie the minimum of law for honest, reasonable and decent people.
12:38 PM
@WhiteStoneName
Belief is like love; it cannot be compelled; and as any attempt to compel love produces hate, so it is the attempt to compel belief which first produces real unbelief. - Shopenhauer
12:39 PM
@OOOTLAM
#2
The matriarchy will always have the problem with women wanting to play Lady Bountiful.
12:40 PM
@OOOTLAM
#2
I just want to make the point that we just have to agree on the MINIMUM STANDARDS OF MORALITY.
12:40 PM
@OOOTLAM
#3
Talking about eating the things you love, Christians like to pretend that they eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood.
12:41 PM
@williambranch4283
Cannibalism is mandatory, Claire
12:41 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
You can’t proposition your way through a transformative experience. And love and belief is transformative
12:41 PM
@williambranch4283
This is mentioned in the Pyramid Texts of Unas
12:42 PM
@βρεττς
Claire with no balance once again
12:43 PM
@WhiteStoneName
Indeed, Robb. Good observation. Or was it a criticism.
12:43 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
I unironically love Claire
12:44 PM
@daringhobbit
the whole point of christianity is love, because God is love
12:44 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
drinking the blood and eating the flesh of the son of god regularly causes some changes
12:44 PM
@βρεττς
Love God. That enables you to love others in perpetuity.
12:45 PM
@williambranch4283
Hospitable people must control their exposure ... ironic
12:45 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
You can put them in timeout
12:45 PM
@williambranch4283
Parenting necessary, but adults can't be parented
12:46 PM
@βρεττς
Boy Olsen, that’s what you needed yesterday. A little Beastie Boys action. You gotta fight for your right to party.
12:46 PM
@williambranch4283
We do, it is called truancy
12:46 PM
@williambranch4283
We must all struggle to reach top of tyranny
12:47 PM
@βρεττς
We’ve all stated at Claire
12:47 PM
@alexluna_Meta-Evangelical
2 Peter 1: 2-4 this is a quick read but with a ton of meat on it’s bones. I often go back to this.
12:48 PM
@williambranch4283
Studiously apolitical ... Captain Planet Unite
12:50 PM
@williambranch4283
People are corrupt, there is no good solution
12:51 PM
@williambranch4283
Make everything legal, like Congress/Parliament does with itself
12:51 PM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
Ryan, Claire's gonna hold you to that
12:53 PM
@williambranch4283
Christians don't even know when the Sabbath is ;-)
12:53 PM
@alexluna_Meta-Evangelical
The Sabbath is in Romans Ch 14
12:53 PM
@williambranch4283
Moses stubbed his toeses
12:54 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
There you go, Marc!
12:54 PM
@williambranch4283
Paul the Apostle was Jewish, not Roman, ironically
12:54 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#2
I don’t trust words I trust people
12:55 PM
@williambranch4283
All Scripture, isn't history, they are interpretation already
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1:14:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins to say people should agree on the rules and let people to love and hate as they wish.
1:16:00 Good parenting
1:17:00 Dumb questions by Olson
1:21:00 I reject Olson's vagaries.
1:22:00 Choose a moral system
1:23:00 RYAN says God is love.
1:25:00 The Ten Commandments, Noahide laws and sharia
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