The Generation Gap of Morality of the West affects all of us; Jewish idolatry of rabbis; Christians are a danger to each other

https://t.co/2hHWaw8DRP

— Cyborg of Secular Koranism (@Book_of_Rules) April 12, 2025

2:00  White Nationalism

Depends, I've married their women, taught their kids, worked & lived w/them as neighbours.

While they've also scarred my face, broken my teeth, sabotaged my marriage, jailed & killed my friends, deported my brother, hunted & killed my forefathers, raped & massacred my village.

— Zia (@IbnMalikah) April 12, 2025

3:00  Nationalism is government in the national interest.

5:00  Definitions and the meaning of words

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectification_of_names 

7:00  Arabic words

8:00  Idolatry

9:00  Atheists don't care about idolatry.

10:00  Hypocrites go to hell, according to the Koran. 

David Cameron legalised gay marriage as Conservative Prime Minister.

11:00  Good, evil and morality

12:00  If x, then y.

13:00  Christians have always used violence to "win" theological arguments.

14:00  Agreeing to disagree

15:00  Rules of interpretation

The four main rules of statutory interpretation are the literal rule, the golden rule, the mischief rule, and the purposive approach. These rules guide courts in determining the meaning of legislation when it is unclear or ambiguous. The literal rule focuses on the plain meaning of the words used in the statute. The golden rule allows for a deviation from the literal meaning to avoid absurd or inconsistent results. The mischief rule focuses on the "mischief" the statute was intended to remedy. The purposive approach considers the overall purpose and intent of the legislation. 

Elaboration:

Literal Rule:

This rule suggests that the words of a statute should be interpreted according to their plain and ordinary meaning, without regard for the context or potential consequences. 

Golden Rule:

The golden rule allows for a modification of the literal meaning of a word or phrase to avoid an outcome that would be absurd or contrary to the overall intent of the legislation. 

Mischief Rule:

This rule, also known as Heydon's Case, directs courts to consider the "mischief" or defect in the law that the statute was intended to address, and to interpret the legislation in a way that remedies that mischief. 

Purposive Approach:

This modern approach to interpretation emphasizes the overall purpose and intent of the legislation, rather than solely focusing on the literal wording. Courts will consider a range of extrinsic and intrinsic aids to interpretation when applying this approach, according to Law Trove.

20:00  Category errors

23:00  We must let people make their point before we disagree with them. 

24:00  Sunni Muslims have no leader or final court of appeal. 

25:00  Shafi School

29:00  Hierarchy, authority and resolution

31:00  Judicial authority

Fatwa is a legal opinion.

34:00  Moses delegates to judges the administration of justice.

37:00  The rule of law

38:00  The ever changing laws of the West

The generation gap of morality

39:00  Westerners not having an  official moral system has caused unnecessary divisions. 

40:00  Truth is only the opinion of the powerful. 

We are ordered to believe in nonsense.

41:00  Jews and gentiles are being corrupted by a corrupt system.

43:00  The stable identity of Muslims over the centuries

44:00  The unstable identity of Christians over the centuries

45:00  Russians still cling to Orthodox Christianity.

46:00  Christianity failed to defend the divine right of kings. 

47:00  Constantine the Great

48:00  The Pope

49:00  Polygamy in Jews and Mormons

50:00  Protestant schism

51:00  Judaism and Islam have higher status scripture.

Catholic schism

53:00  Stefan Molyneux

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2017/01/should-law-conform-to-morality-and-if.html 

54:00  Our theocracy should be based on a holy book.

55:00  If both the Torah and the Koran come from God, the honest and reasonable Jew would choose the one without 36 capital punishments. 

56:00  What is easier to believe and easier should be preferred.

58:00  Muhammad said "Take the easier option!"

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/sunna/taking-the-easier-of-two-opinions/

1:00:00  Jewish pride is a deadly sin.

1:03:00  While we in the 21st century West are morally diseased, it is possible that our descendants will be cured with sharia if we repent as as soon as possible. 

It is easier to move a mountain than to rip out a false belief from a stubborn individual. 

1:04:00  Idolatry

1:06:00  Islam does not support kingship.

1:07:00  Rightly-guided Caliphs

Book of Samuel

1:08:00  Solomon died an idolater.

The question of whether King Solomon died an idolater is complex and depends on interpretation of biblical texts, primarily 1 Kings 11琢

Short Answer: The Bible does not explicitly state that Solomon died as an idolater, but it reports that he engaged in idolatrous practices later in life. Whether he repented before death is unclear.

Detailed Answer:

• Biblical Account: According to 1 Kings 11:4-8, Solomon, influenced by his many foreign wives, built altars for their gods (e.g., Ashtoreth, Chemosh, Molech) and even participated in their worship. This is described as turning his heart away from the Lord, angering God.
• Context: Solomon’s actions are portrayed as a deviation from his earlier devotion to God, during which he built the Temple and was blessed with wisdom (1 Kings 3-4). His later idolatry is attributed to his marriages to foreign women (1 Kings 11:1-3).
• No Clear Resolution: The Bible does not specify whether Solomon repented or died in a state of idolatry. The text leaves his final spiritual state ambiguous.
• Jewish and Christian Traditions:
  • Jewish tradition often views Solomon more favorably, emphasizing his wisdom and contributions to Israel, with less focus on his idolatry.
  • Christian interpretations vary: some see his actions as a cautionary tale of falling away, while others hold that he may have repented, though there’s no textual evidence for this.
• Ecclesiastes: Some attribute the book of Ecclesiastes to Solomon, which reflects on the vanity of worldly pursuits and a return to fearing God (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). If accepted as his work, it could suggest a reflective, possibly repentant end, but authorship is debated.

Conclusion: Based on 1 Kings, Solomon engaged in idolatry, but the Bible is silent on whether he died in that state. Interpretations depend on theological perspectives, with no definitive answer in the text.

1:09:00  The problem of gentiles idolising prophets

1:10:00  Tovia Singer

1:11:00  A prophet is a mouthpiece of God

1:12:00  Free will and moral reasoning

1:13:00  Obedience

1:14:00  Good government

1:15:00  Worship

1:16:00  Jews idolising rabbis

1:20:00  Obedience is not worship.

1:23:00  Intermarriage between Jews  and gentiles

1:25:00  Are the 36 capital offences merely metaphors?

Koranic law is can be interpreted literally without offending justice and humanity.

1:26:00  The particular v the universal

1:27:00  Rabbis refuse to read the Korans.

1:28:00  The Noahide laws

1:29:00  The Written Tradition > The Oral Tradition

1:30:00  Progressive Revelation

1:34:00  If you really believed in the afterlife, you would want to choose the easier route to heaven, not the one blocked with 36 capital offences.

1:37:00  Judaism is, like Christianity, only a cultural affiliation. 

Hew

1:39:00  Bowing before the Kabbah is nit bowing an idol

1:41:00  13 Principles of Allah

1:43:00  Talking about Jesus in the present tense is idolatry. 

1:44:00  Jay Walker using the brand of Jesus

1:45:00  Hypocrites

1:46:00  Why we need principles

1:47:00  Principles are to die for.

1:49:00  Lip service

1:50:00  Chillul Hashem

1:51:00  Lip serviceman and the true believer

1:53:00  Atheists are materialists.

1:54:00  There are no monuments to mercenaries. 

1:55:00  Why Jews ended up with the Ten Commandments

1:57:00  Hidden idolatry

1:59:00  Judaism is the religion of social clubs.

Gemara

2:00:00  Jewish idolatry of rabbis

2:06:00  Spinoza

Jesus is not scary enough to Christians.

2:07:00  Icons

2:08:00  Opportunity cost of idolatry

2:09:00  Mongol invasion of Russia

Communism

2:10:00  Christianity failing Christians

2:11:00  Christendom ended in 1918.

2:13:00  Europeans lost faith in Christianity long before WW1 and WW2.

2:15:00  Christians are more dangerous to each other than to non-Christians because Christians have killed more Christians than they have killed non-Christians.

Alright, let’s dive into the numbers and patterns with more granularity, while acknowledging the limits of historical data and the complexity of pinning deaths directly on "Christianity." The question is whether Christianity, as a religion or through its adherents, has caused more deaths of Christians than non-Christians. This requires looking at major episodes of violence, estimating victim counts, and distinguishing between intra-Christian and Christian-versus-non-Christian conflicts. I’ll break it down by key periods and types of violence, then synthesize.

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1. Intra-Christian Violence (Christians Killing Christians)

Christianity’s history is riddled with internal conflicts—sectarian wars, persecutions of "heretics," and state-backed purges. Here’s a closer look:

• Early Church Persecutions (Pre-Constantine, ~100-313 CE)
  Early Christians faced Roman persecution, but once Christianity gained power, intra-Christian violence emerged. Rival sects (e.g., Arians vs. Nicene Christians) clashed. After the Council of Nicaea (325 CE), "heretical" groups like Donatists or Gnostics were suppressed, sometimes violently. Deaths are hard to quantify—likely thousands, not millions—but victims were overwhelmingly Christian.
  Estimate: Low thousands.
• Byzantine Iconoclasm (8th-9th centuries)
  Debates over religious images led to purges of iconophiles by iconoclast emperors. Monasteries were raided, monks executed, and communities displaced. Exact numbers are speculative, but chroniclers suggest tens of thousands of Christian victims.
  Estimate: ~10,000-50,000.
• Crusades Against Christians (11th-13th centuries)
  While Crusades are often framed as Christian vs. Muslim, some targeted Christians:
  • Albigensian Crusade (1209-1229): Aimed at Cathar "heretics" in France. Entire towns (e.g., Béziers) were massacred—~20,000 killed in one day alone. Total estimates range from 200,000 to 1 million, nearly all Christians.
  • Fourth Crusade (1204): Latin Christians sacked Constantinople, a Christian city, killing ~2,000-10,000 Orthodox Christians and causing long-term devastation.
    Estimate: ~250,000-1 million.
• Reformation and Religious Wars (16th-17th centuries)
  The Catholic-Protestant split ignited massive violence:
  • French Wars of Religion (1562-1598): ~2-4 million dead, mostly Christians (Huguenots vs. Catholics). St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre alone killed ~10,000 Protestants.
  • Thirty Years’ War (1618-1648): A Catholic-Protestant bloodbath in Europe, killing ~8 million (direct combat, famine, disease). Most victims were Christian, as the war was fought in Christian heartlands.
  • English Civil War (1642-1651): ~200,000 dead, largely Puritan vs. Anglican.
    Estimate: ~10-12 million.
• Witch Hunts (15th-18th centuries)
  Across Europe, ~50,000-100,000 people, mostly women, were executed for "witchcraft." Nearly all were Christians, accused of heresy or devil-worship by Christian authorities.
  Estimate: ~50,000-100,000.
• Inquisition (12th-19th centuries)
  The Spanish Inquisition (~1478-1834) targeted conversos (converted Jews/Muslims) and suspected heretics, nearly all baptized Christians. ~3,000-5,000 were executed; tens of thousands imprisoned or tortured. Other inquisitions (e.g., Roman, Portuguese) add smaller numbers.
  Estimate: ~5,000-10,000 deaths.
• Modern Intra-Christian Violence
  • Northern Ireland’s Troubles (1968-1998): Catholic vs. Protestant conflict killed ~3,500, almost entirely Christians.
  • Rwandan Genocide (1994): While ethnic (Hutu vs. Tutsi), most victims and perpetrators were Christian. ~800,000 dead, though not purely religious.
    Estimate: ~3,500-800,000 (context-dependent).

Subtotal for Intra-Christian Deaths: Rough range of 10.3 million to 14.1 million, with the Thirty Years’ War and Albigensian Crusade as heavy hitters. This is conservative, as famine and disease tied to wars inflate numbers further.

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2. Christians Killing Non-Christians

Christianity’s expansion often involved violence against non-Christians—pagans, Muslims, Jews, indigenous peoples. Here’s the breakdown:

• Early Christian Expansion (4th-8th centuries)
  After Constantine, Christians suppressed pagans. Examples:
  • Saxon Wars (772-804): Charlemagne forcibly converted Saxons, massacring ~4,500 at Verden and killing thousands more in campaigns. Total deaths: ~10,000-20,000 pagans.
  • Destruction of pagan temples (e.g., Serapeum in Alexandria, 391 CE) led to smaller-scale killings.
    Estimate: ~20,000-50,000.
• Crusades Against Non-Christians (11th-13th centuries)
  • First Crusade (1096-1099): ~70,000-100,000 deaths, including Muslims, Jews, and some Eastern Christians. Jerusalem’s massacre (1099) killed ~40,000, mostly Muslims/Jews.
  • Subsequent Crusades (e.g., Second, Third): ~1-2 million total deaths, split across Muslims, Jews, and Christians (from both sides). Non-Christian share: ~500,000-1 million.
  • Rhineland Massacres (1096): Crusaders killed ~5,000-10,000 Jews.
    Estimate: ~500,000-1 million non-Christians.
• Reconquista (8th-15th centuries)
  Christian kingdoms in Spain expelled Muslims and Jews. Direct killings were fewer than in wars, but pogroms (e.g., 1391 Jewish massacres) and forced conversions killed ~50,000-100,000 non-Christians.
  Estimate: ~50,000-100,000.
• Colonial Era (15th-19th centuries)
  Christian colonization devastated indigenous populations:
  • Americas: ~10-100 million indigenous deaths (1492-1900), mostly from disease (e.g., smallpox), but direct violence (e.g., encomienda system, conquests like Cortés’ Aztecs) killed millions. Religious justification was common, though greed often drove it. Non-Christian share: ~5-50 million.
  • Africa/Asia: Slave trade (~12 million shipped, ~2 million dead in transit) and colonial wars (e.g., Congo Free State, ~10 million) had Christian backing but mixed motives. Non-Christian deaths: ~5-10 million.
    Estimate: ~10-60 million.
• Anti-Jewish Pogroms (Middle Ages to 20th century)
  Beyond Crusades, Christians killed Jews in pogroms (e.g., Black Death scapegoating, ~100,000 dead; Russian pogroms, ~50,000). Total: ~200,000-500,000.
  Estimate: ~200,000-500,000.

Subtotal for Non-Christian Deaths: ~10.8 million to 61.7 million, with colonial deaths as the wildcard (disease blurs the line). Direct religious violence leans lower; economic motives inflate the high end.

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3. Non-Christians Killing Christians

For context, let’s estimate Christians killed by non-Christians to see if it shifts the balance:

• Roman Persecutions (64-313 CE): Sporadic, exaggerated in martyr stories. ~3,000-10,000 Christians killed.
• Islamic Conquests (7th-15th centuries): Hard to quantify—some Christians were spared as "People of the Book." Battles (e.g., Yarmouk, 636 CE) and later Ottoman conflicts killed ~100,000-500,000 Christians.
• Mongol Invasions (13th century): ~1-2 million Christians (e.g., Nestorians) died, though not religiously targeted.
• Modern Persecutions: ISIS (10,000 Christians), Boko Haram (5,000), and other groups add ~20,000-50,000 since 2000.
  Estimate: ~0.1-3 million.

This is dwarfed by Christian-on-Christian and Christian-on-non-Christian violence.

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Synthesis

• Intra-Christian Deaths: ~10.3-14.1 million.
• Non-Christian Deaths: ~10.8-61.7 million.
• Key Uncertainty: Colonial deaths. If disease-heavy estimates (e.g., 100 million in Americas) count fully, non-Christians might edge out. But direct religious violence (wars, crusades, inquisitions) leans heavily Christian-on-Christian—sectarianism was brutal.
• Conclusion: Christianity likely killed more Christians than non-Christians. The Thirty Years’ War, Reformation conflicts, and heretic purges rack up focused, high-intensity deaths, while non-Christian deaths spread across broader, often less religiously driven contexts (e.g., colonialism). Without clearer colonial data, intra-Christian violence wins for its sheer consistency.