Questions for rabbis on whether the Koran is Noahide-compliant

1) Which verse of the Koran infringes the Noahide laws?

2) Why is it impossible that God would first reveal the Torah to Jews first and then the Koran to gentiles?

3) Do rabbis see it as their role to create a Noahide religion for gentiles if it is interpreted that Maimonides said that no gentile shall be allowed to create a religion of their own?

4) Surely it is only when one's country has been invaded and conquered that one submits to the religion of the conqueror?

5)  It didn't end well for the Israelites when they forcibly converted the Edomites, did it?
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-edomites
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/herod

6)  Israel is the only nation in the world whose borders have been defined by the Torah. This means that Israel of all nations is not allowed to acquire empire, and this means Jews of all people are not permitted to conquer gentiles and forcibly convert them to Judaism, doesn't it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

7) But let us hypothesise that Israel became a world superpower with a global empire, conquered every nation and imposed its religion and culture upon them. This means Jews out of all the people of the world will no longer retain their chosen status and will be submerged by the rest of humanity if everyone became Jewish. It would then be impossible for Israel to be light unto the nations if every nation were conquered by the Global Israeli Empire. Can it therefore not be surmised that the Noahide laws are only there as a minimum moral and civilisational standard for Jews to judge other nations while keeping only to its Torah-defined borders?

8) If Jews are claiming that Islam/the Koran is not Noahide-compliant, wouldn't they have to read it first and cite verses that they claim go against the Noahide laws to make good that claim? It is not convincing for Jews to claim "The late Rambam has decreed that no gentile shall create a religion for gentiles and all gentiles are to submit to a Jew-administered Noahide religion for gentiles propagated by Chabad."

https://wrldrels.org/2017/10/08/the-bnei-noah-children-of-noah/

1860s:  The idea of Noahidism as a Judaic religion for non-Jews was developed by Rabbi Elijah Benamozegh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Benamozegh#Religious_universalism

Benamozegh's works are noted for his free and uninhibited use of various non-Jewish religious sources, especially the New Testament and ancient pagan mythology. Benamozegh even considered the Gospels to be a highly valuable Jewish Midrash, comparable to the Talmudic Aggadah. He respected Jesus as a wise righteous Jew, but criticized the religious innovations of Paul.

In his theological works, Benamozegh suggested to explain the Christian dogmas of Trinity and Incarnation as an oversimplified and corrupt version of the Kabbalistic panentheistic doctrine of Divine emanations. While he disagreed with the Trinitarian Christian theology, he considered it, unlike most other Orthodox rabbis, an erroneous misunderstanding of subtle Kabbalistic doctrines and not a major deviation from monotheism. Moreover, he claimed that Christianity is too monotheistic in comparison with the Kabbalah which views all pagan deities in their essence as partial manifestations or faces of the Absolute. Similarly, Benamozegh criticized the Christian view of Jesus as incarnated God on monistic or panentheistic grounds. According to Benamozegh's Kabbalistic view, the entire world is an incarnation of Shechina, the feminine aspect of Divinity. He believed that Hinduism is closer in this respect to mystical Judaism than Christianity.

Benamozegh offered a novel mystical interpretation of Ludwig Feuerbach's atheistic philosophy. Feuerbach wrote that God is merely a product of human mind. Benamozegh explained that Feuerbach is essentially right; However, what people call God is a limited human perception of the apophatic Infinite Absolute.

Indeed, dualistic, panentheistic and highly complex views of the Godhead are common in the Kabbalistic literature. A number of known rabbis criticized Kabbalah for Gnostic-like dualistic views of God.

A particular interest was evolutionary theory and its universalist implications. Over time, Benamozegh came to view Darwin’s account of the common descent of all life as evidence in support of kabbalistic teachings, which he synthesized to offer a majestic vision of cosmic evolution, with radical implications for understanding the development of morality and religion itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Benamozegh#Cosmopolitanism_and_patriotism

Benamozegh considered himself, simultaneously, an Italian patriot and a cosmopolitan. He believed that authentic mystical core of the Jewish tradition, which he called "Hebraism" as opposed to more isolationist exoteric Judaism, is profoundly universal and capable of uniting all world religions and nations into one brotherly cosmopolitan network. While Benamozegh believed in the unique spiritual mission of the Jews, his idea of Jewish chosenness was far from narrow particularism. According to his worldview, the Jews are chosen to serve the humanity as a priestly people, by proving a common mystical ground that transcends the boundaries of the nations and religious traditions. He also emphasized the impact of other cultures on Judaism, starting from the ancient Egyptian paganism, as well as the great role of the proselytes in the Jewish history. Unlike some exclusivist Kabbalists, Benamozegh believed that Kabbalah is a universal theology that unites all human beings and views them as equals. 

At the same time, Benamozegh was a staunch Italian patriot. He even wrote a daring formulation, based on the Jewish declaration of faith: O Israelites, that you will always love Italy, that you will love her with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. Apparently, according to his panentheistic philosophy, Benamozegh viewed the Italian soil as a specially beloved expression of the Shechina.

9)  Who has more moral and intellectual authority in the opinion of humanity as a whole and not just Jews alone?

a) The originator of the Koran (believed by Muslims to be the Abrahamic God Himself)

b) A deceased Jewish sage who called Muhammad a lunatic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_views_on_Muhammad

Maimonides referred to Muhammad as a false prophet and an insane man. In his Epistle to Yemen he wrote "After [Jesus] arose the Madman who emulated his precursor [Jesus], since he paved the way for him. But he added the further objective of procuring rule and submission [talb al-mulk; pursuit of sovereignty] and he invented what was well known [Islam]." 

In his authoritative work of law the Mishneh Torah (Hilkhot Melakhim 11:10–12), Maimonides indicated that nevertheless Muhammad was part of God's plan of preparing the world for the coming of the Jewish Messiah: "All those words of Jesus of Nazareth and of this Ishmaelite [i.e., Muhammad] who arose after him are only to make straight the path for the messianic king and to prepare the whole world to serve the Lord together. As it is said: 'For then I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech so that all of them shall call on the name of the Lord and serve him with one accord' (Zephaniah 3:9).

10)  Wouldn't the quickest way for Jews to "Noahidise" the world and be the light unto the nations as God had chosen them to be be for them to declare Christianity kaput - because it is not only Noahide-compliant but idolatrous and blasphemous to a supreme degree - but Islam to more than satisfy the minimum moral standards of the Noahide laws?

11) Before the moral authority of Jews is acknowledged, wouldn't Israel itself have to be at least Noahide-compliant?

12) In order to be at least Noahide-compliant, wouldn't Israel itself have to be a theocracy?

13) Isn't Israel really just a colonial outpost of the American Empire that is infamous for promoting "globohomo" and turning the global village into Sodom and Gomorrah doubtless attracting the same punishment, if God exists and intends to punish us?

14) If Israel were to become a theocracy in order to be in good standing with God, wouldn't a Torah-theocracy be too harsh on the many secular Jews currently living there?

15) Wouldn't you agree that a Koranic theocracy (which is really a legal system designed to accommodate atheists to polytheists because it guarantees freedom of belief as the First Amendment does according to quran.com/2/256) would be the preferred option of the majority of Israelis, if they had to choose between a Torah theocracy and a Koran theocracy and no other option is on the table?

16) It has been said that Islam is "Judaism Lite". We know that what is halal is not kosher, but what is kosher is halal. If it is indeed the case that Islam is "Judaism Lite", then sharia ought to be just a walk in the park for observant Jews. It is well known that the burden of being Jewish is greater than that of being Muslim, wouldn't you agree?

17)  The Koran acknowledges the borders of Greater Israel - whose total population is estimated to be 100 million - as defined in the Torah. If such a thing were to be possible in the foreseeable future, it would have to be governed by Koranic principles rather than Torah principles, wouldn't you agree?

https://www.prb.org/israel-demography/

In 2050, the UN Western Asia region will have a population of 405 million (with Israel representing 3 percent of the population of that region) and Iran should have just under 100 million people.

18)  If there is to be a chance of a Greater Israel in the foreseeable future, then the Third Temple cannot be built and the Al Aqsa Mosque has to stay in situ, wouldn't you agree?

19)  If God exists and arranged matters so that the Al Aqsa Mosque prevents the building of the Third Temple, could it not be argued that God intends for Israel to take cognisance of the possibility that the Koran represents God's revelation to gentiles since the Torah represents instructions for Jews only?

20) Since Temple Judaism resulted in the expulsion of Jews from Israel, would you not agree that all priesthoods are corruptible? (The Catholic and Anglican Churches are excellent examples of clerical corruption.)

21) Islam operates through following God's laws in the Koran and in Islam it is the judiciary that would be the closest thing to a priesthood. Since law operates openly and is subject to adversarial argument and legal decisions are subject to appeal, even a potentially corruptible judiciary would be more open to challenge and scrutiny. A slim-line Koranic "theocracy lite" that dispenses with the trouble of Jews having to re-establish a priesthood for their Third Temple and the inevitable disputes amongst Jews about how that should done would be a blessing in disguise, would it not?

Jews should declare Christianity idolatrous and non-idolatrous Islam more Noahide than Christianity

0:01  I didn't manage to get the sound of the Aaron "party" stream after all. Apologies. This Neo-Nazi/alt-right house party in Jerusalem has been deleted.

2:00  Aaron Amihud won't let me on his streams because he hates and fears Secular Koranism. If you asked him for a reason, he would pretend it is for reasons of restoring the patriarchy, but that is just nonsense, and restoring the patriarchy does not mean not allowing Claire Khaw - who wants to restore the patriarchy - on your streams. My position is that only Secular Koranism would restore the patriarchy in Western nations and Aaron in his cowardice cannot accept that nor can he argue against it. Christianity is kaput and is in any case idolatrous, so as a Jew Aaron cannot tell Western nations to be more Christian. He knows he is conflicted, and he knows I know he is conflicted and that is the real reason why he bans me from his streams. In fact, I tried to ask him about his views on Chabad's Jew-administered Noahidism, but he ended a stream rather than answer my question, because he feared my forensic questioning. We presented five streams together at his suggestion and you can hear them all at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLiyerKd2Lcq7G082L7Ua182pWqkHNSyp  It seems he gave up trying to demonstrate that Secular Koranism was not viable or moral and wants to deprive me of the oxygen of publicity by excluding me from the conversation, just like liberal media.

4:00 The irony of Jewish Aaron allowing White Nationalists and larping Nazis to take over his stream

6:00  My exchanges with Chabad rabbis on the Noahide laws

8:00  The medium of the written word is more subject to analysis than the spoken word.

10:00  Our religion defines our politics.

11:00  Religion is a standard of behaviour.

12:00  Unprincipled people make society unstable and life unpredictable.

13:00  A political system with a high turnover means the velocity of buck-passing is high and government unaccountable.

14:00  We prefer to deal with people we know and trust.

15:00  We want our leader to be the same person for as long as possible if we already trust him.

16:00  The obvious solution of a one party theocracy

17:00  All political parties should promote the national interest, and nationalism is government in the national interest.

18:00  Wisdom is long-term thinking with a goal in mind, and with the discipline of postponing pleasure, to the extent of waiting until the afterlife to enjoy guilty pleasures.

19:00  Time and energy is wasted in political rallies, making false promises and telling lies in liberal democracies.

20:00  Just govern the country properly already!

21:00  Democracy and Christianity is really stupid so it was always bound to crash and burn anyway. Antisemites attribute the indifference, incompetence and corruption of their governments to Jewish subversion and refuse to believe that their kaput religion that they themselves don't even believe in and the democracy that they now reject for a White Nationalist Dictator were anything less than perfect, until the Jews came along. They are like a householder whose roof is leaking going around beating up other members of the household after falsely accusing them of causing the roof to leak and evicting them rather than calling the roofer. Things will only get worse for the White Man if he does not adopt Secular Koranism pronto. 

22:00  The bloody history of schismatic Christianity and the European Wars of Religion

23:00  People of the same race and religion can be horrid to each other eg European Wars of Religion, War of the Roses, the Highland Clearances, the American Civil War, WW1, WW2,

24:00  The in-fighting of echo chambers and the splintering of echo chambers into mini-echo chambers

25:00  Patriarchy is more likely to endure in a theocracy that promotes patriarchal moral values.

26:00  Even murderers can see the point of laws against homicide.

27:00  The New Testament is not a good enough document to base your theocracy on, but the Koran is. The Torah is far too harsh even for Jews, which is why over the centuries they have interpreted away most of it with the Talmud.

28:00  The defective scripture of Buddhism and Hindus explains why they have never achieved empire. The Chinese government is wise enough not to identify China with Buddhism because it is useless for statecraft. For statecraft, the Chinese government has always used political philosophers operating on legalism. Legalism would have a field day with Secular Koranism and I look forward to the day when I hear the Chinese government proclaiming that it is operating "Secular Koranisim with Chinese characteristics". It is envisaged that there will be many varieties of Secular Koranism eg American, French, Italian, German, Polish, Hungarian, Austrian, Russian, Irish etc and last but not least, one with British characteristics, whatever that will mean by then.

29:00  There is a natural and logical hierarchy of everything.

30:00  The impracticable ideas of the French Revolution

31:00  Egalitarianism is the greatest injustice of treating unequal things equally, but the caste system is too rigid. Secular Koranism will bring about a socially mobile meritocracy that is intended to benefit the traditionally despised lower middle classes.

32:00  A meritocracy logically and necessarily has class mobility and Secular Koranism would bring this about by giving society a formal hierarchy while allowing for class mobility. In practice, Secular Koranism would favour the lower middle classes that have been traditionally despised by those above and below them.  Islamic inheritance rules and freedom of disposition

33:00  The eugenic nature of marriage and how it is the indispensable ingredient of patriarchy

34:00  I have been asking white people to take me to their leader for years but nobody can tell me who it is really because the velocity of the buck-passing is increasing  ie the buck was being passed around faster and faster until it is now just a blur. Harry Truman was saying as long ago as the 1950s that the buck stops at the White House, but that didn't happen, did it? Perhaps it is time for America to have a more Chinese political system. This would stop them from being always angry and envious of the Chinese and I think this is what the Chinese are hoping the Americans will do, eventually. Presumably, this is why the Chinese are producing their helpful and tuneful propaganda videos with catchy songs sung in American accents about how China is run so much better with its much cleverer politicians because it just has a much more rational political system run by people who are not completely intellectually crippled through indoctrination by feminism and Political Correctness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11958034/Chinese-Communist-Party-release-bizarre-English-language-propaganda-music-video-about-their-Five-Year-Plan.html

35:00  The long term national interest, national identity and how history is being taught

36:00  Female masochism

37:00  BBC Radio 4 dumbed down by feminism.

38:00  Perhaps 2020 will be the year my genius is nationally and perhaps internationally acknowledged. This is not just for my own aggrandisement and I am thinking of my dear parents. Currently, they think I am just a crank, so it would be so nice if they could feel proud of me after all they have done for me, having paid for my expensive education.

39:00  Phatic expressions of antisemitism are an emotional release for emasculated and helpless men like OV and his associates who know their matriarchy only wants them to become women and will provide them with the means to mutilate their sex organs and sterilise themselves, further morally crippling the men and making it impossible for them to even aspire to become a society of married fathers that is a patriarchy. Make no mistake: a matriarchy is in fact satanic, and, dare I say it, Amalekite. I am not saying they should be exterminated by Jews,  of course. In any case, Jews are only a very small minority of humanity and lack the personnel to do so even if they wanted to.

http://www.globalreligiousfutures.org/religions/jews

"As of 2010, there were about 14 million Jews around the world, representing 0.2% of the global population."

The problem is that there is an Amalekite in each of us in the form of the Yetzer Hara, the evil inclination.  It was Muhammad who said that the Greater Jihad is the struggle with oneself.

If Jews have a duty to the gentile, the it must be to denounce Christianity as being kaput, idolatrous and blasphemous to monotheism and to raise the status of Islam by being declared it Noahide-compliant.

My communications with a Chabad Rabbi Michael Schulman https://asknoah.org/wp-content/uploads/rebuttal-of-claims-that-secular-koranism-is-noahide-compliant.pdf have revealed that Chabadniks are not about to endorse Secular Koranism as Noahide-compliant because they are themselves pushing a Jew-administered Noahidism on ex-Christians who are presumably Islamophobic and dim-witted. Indeed, they do not regard Muslims or Islam or the Koran as being Noahide -compliant. The reason they give is that the Koran does not punish idolatry or blasphemy as harshly as Jews ie with the death penalty.

Why would any gentile subject himself to a religion run by rabbis who would execute gentiles for idolatry if they could rather than trust other gentiles to run their society properly without infringing the First Amendment as Secular Koranism is guaranteed to do? One has to wonder at the as yet unplumbed depths of human stupidity.

40:00 Why I like discussing religion with rabbis

41:00  Why is child prostitution not being run by white men but by non-white and foreign gangs?

43:00  Gillick Competence
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/children/

44:00  Condoning underage sex plays into the hands of child prostitution gangs

45:00  If child prostitution gangs were run by white men, Islamophobic white men would be shrugging their shoulders.

46:00  White sex predators work alone because they lack male solidarity having never met their unmarried fathers and were "educated" in their co-ed schools by female teachers. Non-white men tend to come from married parents which means they are more likely to have the male solidarity and male co-operation necessary to share information and resources with each other to run an enterprise, criminal or otherwise.

48:00  No British philosopher will even discuss the definition of masculinity, certainly not the late of Roger Scruton who pointedly refused to discuss feminism with me. Indeed, I recently heard a rumour that he was known to be bisexual. https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2013/03/roger-scruton-conservative-philosopher.html While my own morals have not been perfect, I have no difficulty at all discussing what the law should be as regards sexual morality and propose to treat unmarried parents as sex offenders attracting the punishment of quran.com/24/2.

50:00  I define a Christian as someone who has been confirmed. There are not that many of them.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2018/10/can-church-regain-its-morality-authority.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2285670/Most-children-of-British-mothers-born-out-of-wedlock.html

53:00 Safe spaces for men