Our moral convictions have to be in harmony with reality

1:00  We want and need contradictory things.

3:00  Islamophobes will be Islamophobes and don't want to admit that they are suffering from a phobia.

4:00  Islamophobes think might is right. 

5:00  Islamophobes tend not to be married parents. 

Hypocrites who pretend to believe in the Trinity

6:00  Denying truth causes neurosis. 

Spirituality is when your id, ego and superego are in harmony with each other. 

7:00  Spirituality - flow state

8:00  God =  superego

9:00  Marriage, sex and children

10:00  The marriage license and the marriage contract

11:00  Marriage is now equated with sex which is for all consenting adults. 

12:00  "Cool"

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" 

14:00  Chasing Rainbows

 https://genius.com/Shed-seven-chasing-rainbows-lyrics 

15:00  Liberty is what we ought to enjoy after all the necessary laws are in place.

17:00  Noahide laws are rejected by antisemites.

18:00  Western rejection of organised religion

Cognitive dissonance of Westerners forced to believe in absurdities

21:00  Chasing rainbows is chasing a mirage.

22:00  Humility, gratitude and contentment

23:00  Adam and Eve

26:00  The worship of Mammon

27:00  Drugs and drink

28:00  Defects of character

29:00  The Perfect Trinity of Spirituality

30:00  Self-image, self-hatred

31:00  Christians have been lied to since the 4th century.

The virtue of humility

32:00  We deserve it. 

33:00  "Meaning"

34:00  Bill Gates

35:00  Creation and the Creator

36:00  Entropy

37:00  Atheists who pretend not to understand simple arguments to avoid having to acknowledge that they have lost the argument

38:00  The Big Bang

Jews have outlived ancient empires.

39:00  The perpetrator has higher status over the victim until the perpetrator is brought to justice. 

40:00  The race of the Abrahamic religions to God is not over. 

41:00  Marriage and children

43:00  Evil is what God forbids, good what God commands. 

44:00  Sharia

Meaning = justice

45:00  Belief in the Afterlife would bring about more social, economic and political stability.

46:00  Christians are confused liars lying even to themselves. 

47:00  Are Jews white?

Race cannot be your religion. 

48:00  Islam would make Christians better Christians. 

We want our moral convictions to be in harmony with reality.

50:00  Islam is holistic.

https://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=223

51:00  Marital rape

52:00  Polygamy

55:00  Marriage must feel to be a good bargain.

56:00  Feminism would be kicked out by sharia. 

57:00  Good government from sharia

58:00  The Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim Noahides.

Tunji demands to know why I am not banned from the chat/which church is most heretical?

11:46 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

​#3

​Hey, just fyi, EJ seems to be in the chat, but I can’t see his messages. Even though I selected “all messages”

11:46 AM

@stefaniecristos8514

#3

​Weird

11:47 AM

@AmIDriving

​​Try clicking his name

11:47 AM

@AmIDriving

​​Or picture

11:47 AM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​Stef, This happens on all of the streams I’ve ever watched of Claire’s, messages I cannot see. But I’ve never clocked anyone

11:52 AM

@YoavBressler

​​Was he wrong to say it was the US?

11:52 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo Christians are confused creatures who are not sure if they have convictions or whether it is a good thing to have them.

11:53 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​@YoavBressler Orthoboneheads are basically White Nationalists in disguise, so it comes under the category of Christian Nationalism which is of interest to TLC.

11:54 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​Americans do not to this day understand that the Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim Noahides and those of them who wish to remain Christian would want to deny this.

11:55 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo No one can deny that TLC is an important demographic since it is a representation of Post-Christian and Post-Liberal America.

11:56 AM

@YoavBressler

​​The TLC is an important demography in that they are wiser than average.

11:57 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​The chat today is not even responding to each other and seems to be having another conversations with other people not here in the chat.

11:57 AM

@βρεττς

​​I might create a copy and paste response for you, Claire.

11:57 AM

@YoavBressler

​​the chat is let loose among the rats

11:57 AM

@OOOTLAM

​​@YoavBressler TLC are people who wish to remain in denial about their moral imperative.

12:01 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@YoavBressler They wish to remain in denial about their moral imperative because they think they are above the common herd. Whatever problems others have, it is not *their* problem.

12:02 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​Mysticism is mumbo jumbo to make it easier to trick people who want to identify as Christian to support neocon wars.

12:03 PM

@βρεττς

​​Everybody needs trophies 🐝

12:03 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​Jews are not supposed to even learn about Kabbalah until they are over 40.

12:03 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​lol Brett

12:03 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​The tenets Orthodox Christianity will be claimed by the CIA.

12:04 PM

@βρεττς

​​Disjointed from this embodiment

12:05 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς What is disjointed from what emobodiment?

12:05 PM

@βρεττς

​​EO definitely more mystical

12:05 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo What has PVK been saying about Trenham?

12:06 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​He talked about how both Protestant, Orthodox and Catholics have mystics that rise up in them.

12:06 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς You should listen to my stream about The Idiot by Dostoevsky on the conflict between Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity in the 19th century.

12:06 PM

@βρεττς

​​Yeah the levels of them with grounding

12:06 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Chad, you were right! And it only took me this long to figure out how to unblock him. 🙄

12:07 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo PVK makes the delicious point that Protestant churches are basically social clubs with business models.

12:07 PM

@βρεττς

​​Narrow is the path. Who knows

12:07 PM

@βρεττς

​​I’ll check it out, Claire

12:08 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​There is actually money in SK, but PVK is not ready to be seen to be taking me seriously yet.

12:08 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​Oh we CAN, whether we should 🤷🏼‍♀

12:08 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς Do let me know what you think. It is important for Christians to understand why each denomination has been accused of heresy by the others. The reasons are always political.

12:09 PM

@βρεττς

​​That’s right we bring what we’ve been formed by into it. Sometimes it’s bad sometimes it’s good. Sometimes it’s a hindrance sometimes it’s to help.

12:09 PM

@AmIDriving

​​Lots of punching down from high places today in the chat

12:10 PM

@teestrypzSOG

​​Bob and weave

12:10 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς Idolatry is the fallacy and error of worshiping something even less powerful more vulnerable than yourself. This is of course disastrous to you as an individual and a group.

12:11 PM

@βρεττς

​​Soooo smart, you are. So dumb we are

12:11 PM

@AmIDriving

​​Only a few coming from a place of superiority

12:11 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​PVK is concerned about his income post-retirement.

12:11 PM

@βρεττς

​​No he isn’t

12:12 PM

@AmIDriving

​​They have been put on the back burner. I have been focused on the family the last few weeks and will likely continue for the next few

12:12 PM

@βρεττς

​​Matt C explained it the best one is gonna talk about the fullness of church when it comes to salvation. The other talks about the minimum needed for salvation.

12:12 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς Not really. I just think I have more a of a moral compass than you lot because I understand the Classical Theory of the Abrahamic God without the confusion of the Trinity.

12:13 PM

@βρεττς

​​You only think you understand. I guess read more.

12:14 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​Some of you guys seem to have a special ability to see inside PVKs head,make sure you use this super power for good.

12:14 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo The contradictions of Christianity cannot be reconciled.

12:14 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​Claire, how does one build and calibrate a moral compass?

12:14 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς I have made more of a study of these matters than you, to be fair!

12:14 PM

@βρεττς

​​There you go I guess your work here is done

12:15 PM

@βρεττς

​​I don’t think that’s fair at all.

12:15 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​That’s cool Scott. Growing a family is better, and harder! Hah!

12:15 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@SeekingGenuine I am saying morality is based on truth and logic. Therefore use truth and logic to choose your moral system ie the one that most conforms to truth and logic.

12:15 PM

@AmIDriving

​​Yeah we know, you think you’re better. It oozes from your comments. The thing is that doesn’t convince anyone of your points unless you use a club, or a sword or the government.

12:16 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@OOOTLAM You literally just made a circular argument.

12:17 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​Claire, I understand that’s what you’re saying, I guess I’m just curious how that creates a proper moral compass (in your opinion)

12:17 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@AmIDriving I am asking Americans who complain about their government to demand something better for themselves. What is so crazy about that?

12:17 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp Please explain.

12:17 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​I can’t recall PVK saying he knows what people are thinking. Maybe he has…

12:18 PM

@AmIDriving

​​Most of our conversations are not focused on government. You bring that in and then accuse us of complaining.

12:18 PM

@teestrypzSOG

#3

​Brett was firmly team Gavin

12:18 PM

@teestrypzSOG

#3

​Orthobros were team Jonathan

12:18 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Claire, Christ asked us to love God and love each other as he loved us. That is the highest command. Any moral system must align to that.

12:18 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@SeekingGenuine A moral compass would be based on God's laws. So I talk to people who are members of the most powerful religious group in the world.

12:18 PM

@βρεττς

​​I just think he’s the wrong guy to throw punches at. He’s the most generous with the opposite opinion that I know. Genuinely cares about the relationships.

12:19 PM

@Jzepp

​​@OOOTLAM You said morality is truth and logic, use truth and logic to make morality.

12:19 PM

@βρεττς

​​Jzepp got it

12:19 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@AmIDriving You refuse to act against your government because you fear being cancelled. That is not a sufficient excuse for inaction.

12:20 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​How would you like Scott to act against his government, Claire?

12:20 PM

@AmIDriving

​​No I don’t act because I’m not called to act.

12:20 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​You are starting to blow your cover, lady.

12:21 PM

@teestrypzSOG

#3

​Tunji trained me well cuz incompletely agree with him

12:21 PM

@βρεττς

​​Chaos agent all the way

12:21 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@stefaniecristos8514 It is exasperating that Christians always harp on about love while ignoring the fact that Jacob's ladder is the law that will get them to God/heaven.

12:21 PM

@AmIDriving

​​Give until Caesar what is Caesar’s, I have been bought by a greater authority for a much higher price.

12:21 PM

@AmIDriving

​​And so have you Claire

12:22 PM

@βρεττς

​It is hysterical to me that you see Jacob’s ladder that way

12:22 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp Honest and reasonable people would see the point of morality, wouldn't they? Or have they all become extinct in the West?

12:22 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​I think more than anything, when creating of moral compass it requires self reflection and a cultivation of empathy for any of the knowledge or logic or facts to actually mean anything

12:23 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​But that’s just my perspective

12:23 PM

@teestrypzSOG

#3

​Rob, don’t twist Tunji’s words to say what you want. Say it in your own words n stand on it

12:23 PM

@βρεττς

​​Revelation 16 Chad, they will shake their fist that God to the end

12:23 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​The spirit of division is strong in these YouTube parts….

12:23 PM

@teestrypzSOG

#3

​ imagine tryna get Claire to self reflect 😂😂

12:24 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Give me a 🛠. Pretty please. ☺

12:24 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@stefaniecristos8514 All of you could as hosts offering hospitality begin a National Conversation about whether America needs an OFFICIAL MORAL SYSTEM. I am not asking you to run for President.

12:24 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​Stef is power hungry!! Haha jk

12:24 PM

@βρεττς

​​Claire and Rob put up paragraphs that junk up the chat. And make useless points that distract.

12:24 PM

@Jzepp

​​@OOOTLAM If you and I disagree with a morality. Which one of us is right? How do we decide? To what to we defer? Law? Government?

12:24 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Tunji, I asked and Chris very sweetly told me I could start my own channel. Which he is correct about.

12:25 PM

@βρεττς

​​So you’re a witch

12:25 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς That is obviously what Jacob's ladder is. Jews and gentiles wrestle with the interpretation of God's laws.

12:26 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​Why does Tunji care about the chat so much? Chris is not even reading it.

12:26 PM

@βρεττς

​​I don’t know I think he saw Angels going up and down the ladder. I didn’t see anywhere where we were climbing the ladder to figure out how to get to him. More about how he gets to us.

12:26 PM

@βρεττς

​​He can’t read it because you bang on all the time

12:27 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@SeekingGenuine I just have to be consistent in my message. I can't be winsome and tell the truth at the same time.

12:27 PM

@βρεττς

​​Or not speak at all once it’s not reciprocated

12:28 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp We refer to God's laws and see which of us is most in conformity, obviously!

12:28 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#2

​@OOOTLAM I respect that, consistency in and of itself seems like a proper value.

12:28 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@stefaniecristos8514 Would I be allowed on as a guest?

12:28 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​that would be up to Chris

12:29 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​And the answer would most likely be yes.

12:30 PM

@FungsiYukHunPo

​​sorry Brett and Tunji, Chris has a spine 😉

12:30 PM

@Jzepp

​​@OOOTLAM Seems simple. But isn’t. Few thousand years of proof.

12:30 PM

@Smithistory

​​natural consequences for the annoying people

12:31 PM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

​​The morning crew was born out of Howard’s stroke

12:31 PM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

​​So that’s interesting

12:31 PM

@AmIDriving

​​Faith lived out through Chris

12:31 PM

@βρεττς

​​Chris just says more patience than me. He is better at that for sure.

12:31 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp Don't Christians agree that God forbade idolatry and blasphemy in His Commandments?

12:32 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Yep, Chris is demonstrating the Christian stance.

****************************

26:00  Mysticism should be discouraged and obedience to God's law encouraged. 

48:00  Tunji demands to know why I am not banned

51:00  PVK's  winsomeness is a tactic and life strategy

An autopsy of the Trinity

10:39 AM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

#1

​Is the doctrine of the trinity the birth of science?

10:43 AM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

#1

​The clarity of the Trinity is like the discernible clarity of physics

10:48 AM

@ChadMatthewAlbin

#1

​This all sounds like an autopsy

11:07 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Tertullian: "We believe it because it is absurd."

11:08 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Credo quia absurdum

11:09 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Does Scott know about the First Seven Ecumenical Councils? These were seven ancient attempts to get the story of Christianity right. These attempts continue to this day.

11:10 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​You are not going to believe it because it is absurd, are you? This means Christians will lack conviction and be manipulated by their governments through the use of hate and fear.

11:12 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Christianity is known as the religion of hypocrites because the subjects of absolute monarchs would go along to get along or the penalty would be being burned at the stake for heresy.

11:14 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Whichever way you slice it, the Trinity is associating partners with God, called shituf by Jews and also considered to be an unforgivable sins by Muslims.

11:16 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​If Christians wish to remain Christian, they would have to logically and necessarily continue to deny the Trinity is idolatry valuing worldly concerns of hanging out with other Christians over sin.

11:17 AM

@alohm

​​That is why I think Philology - the love of language is how we can fall in love with scripture and myth again

11:17 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Christians have been manipulated by their governments through the use of hatred and fear to make them fight their wars.

11:18 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo The interpretation that most accords with facts and logic is to be preferred by honest and rational individuals.

11:19 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​The problem with Christians is that most of them do not even believe in their own religion properly and the priesthood fears to tell them the enormity of the absurdity they are required to believe.

11:19 AM

@FungsiYukHunPo

​​who determines the proper price of porcelain? Brett has the value of about a baker's dozen worth of toilet bowls in his grill... lol

11:21 AM

@alohm

​​I applied Mortimer Alder's 'How to Read' Protocol to Scripture and that helped me a great deal.

11:21 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​It is actually through non-Western Christians that the unholy bargain is most clearly understood. Europeans are routinely lied to about the Trinity because if told, they would reject it with contempt.

11:22 AM

@alohm

​​The toilet bowl is made in a mold, the teeth are fitted to his needs, that is a great allegory...

11:22 AM

@FungsiYukHunPo

​​@alohm i recommended that book about two or three years ago in TLC and a few months later Luke was referencing it... funny how mimesis works lol

11:23 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​The ancestors of Europeans were forced to worship a Jew by their absolute monarchs. If they rejected it, they would be burned at the stake. This information is of course withheld from Westerners.

11:23 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo The heretical Reform Jew has now blocked me, I see.

11:23 AM

@alohm

​​I prefer to know if the recommendation helped, how did they apply it...

11:24 AM

@alohm

​​Or Deut 6 tells us to revel in of God's Gardens - people, plants, and potential?

11:25 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Chad is right that this is an autopsy of the Trinity. As such, it is historically significant.

11:26 AM

@alohm

​​Knowledge without application or integration is a trivial data point.

11:26 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo Heretics should know they are heretics, shouldn't they?

11:26 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​It would help if Christians understood which other denominations call them heretics and why.

11:27 AM

@FungsiYukHunPo

​​@alohm I learned about the book from Hamza Yusuf, the founder of Zaytuna College, the first Islamic Liberal Arts college in the US , and now Christians in TLC are benefiting from wisdom from a Muslim

11:27 AM

@alohm

​​In al we do is Sati Sapajanna in Sanskrit and the mandate in Deut 6 and the two mandates that they all hang on to Jesus. To carry these truths too all we do.

11:27 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​If theology is the study of God, then it includes the autopsy of the Trinity.

11:28 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo It is important for Americans to understand that the Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim Noahides who rejected absolute monarchy and quarantined the church from their state.

11:30 AM

@alohm

​​Know thyself twisted into a negative

11:31 AM

@FungsiYukHunPo

​​@alohm obviously Luke took something from my suggestion or he would not have known or bought the book.. I thank Aristole's causes

11:31 AM

@alohm

​​Freedom is to know the guard rails - Deut 6 again (or 5:29?)

11:32 AM

@alohm

​​Words shape us as much as we shape the words we use

11:32 AM

@alohm

​​linguistic relativity - reciprocity in correction

11:32 AM

@everettvroon

​​freedom is letting go of me/letting the master do His thing

11:33 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Westerners have to decide whether to get themselves convictions beyond mere hatred of certain individuals and groups.

11:33 AM

@alohm

​​@everettvroon There is Kenosis

11:33 AM

@everettvroon

​​is that kenosis?

11:35 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#3

​Is Olson congratulating himself on avoiding conversations?

11:36 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

​#3

​"The truth will set you free [from error and disaster]."

Brian Berletic on the US-Iran War

:16 PM

@chezispero3533

#1

​Big L for the west

6:16 PM

@chezispero3533

#1

​Israel still better off then before October 7th but worse off from a month ago

6:17 PM

@chezispero3533

#1

​Correct it's not clear which itself is a problem

6:18 PM

@sunrhyze

​#3

​I just feel this is part of a very long term game that we can't understand because we don't have all the pieces

6:18 PM

@zdmc23

​​word on streets is there are non-public backchannel agreements

6:19 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​@sunrhyze Brian Berletic of New Atlas has spelled it out already.

6:20 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​It's US foreign policy that Brian Berletic has spelled out.

6:21 PM

@Musicdude246

​​All the headlines today are ‘Trump lost the war’ from breaking points to hasan and fox and beyond

6:21 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​Brian Berletic does say that Israel is an American colony.

6:23 PM

@zdmc23

​​Trump said syria should deal with hezbollaistas

6:23 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​US Presidents do not control US foreign policy. They are as helpless as Roman emperors when the Praetorian Guard assassinated Roman emperors whose military policy they disagreed with.

6:23 PM

@sunrhyze

#3

​Wow. Francisco at MOR was right, he said the actual US policy has always been preventing Hezbollah from being disarmed. He was right

6:25 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​George Washington warned against "overgrown military establishments" in his 1796 Farewell Address, stating they are "inauspicious to liberty" and "particularly hostile to Republican Liberty."

6:25 PM

@zdmc23

​​George washington would have loved mojtaba

6:26 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​@zdmc23 What makes you say that?

6:27 PM

@zdmc23

​​@OOOOTLAM i am a heritage american so I can assume such things

6:28 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​@zdmc23 You mean say weird things and then not explain?

6:28 PM

@zdmc23

​​@OOOTLAM yes, precisely

6:29 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​@zdmc23 I have already noticed that Americans mostly talk nonsense.

6:30 PM

@OOOTLAM

#2

​The question is why do they do that - neurosis or psychosis?

6:32 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Berletic argues the war against Iran is not an isolated conflict but a calculated component of a broader strategy to restore global hegemony and preemptively weaken potential rivals Russia and China.

6:33 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Berletic : US foreign policy, driven by corporate-financier interests, follows decades-old blueprints (such as the 2009 Which Path to Persia paper) designed to isolate and degrade Eurasian powers.

6:33 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​He views current diplomatic engagements as deceptive pretexts for war, asserting that the conflict in Iran serves as a gateway to direct confrontation with Beijing and Moscow.

6:34 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Strategic Continuity: The current administration is executing long-standing U.S. strategies to topple the Iranian government, which Berletic sees as a prerequisite for isolating Russia and China.

6:34 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​Al Sharaa is a very fascinating individual... at least in how his mythos has been built by the American media. I wait to see how it shakes out.

6:34 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Proxy Dynamics: He emphasizes that Israel acts as a U.S. proxy in these operations, allowing the U.S. to maintain plausible deniability while striking Iranian targets.

6:35 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​US cannot accept a multipolar world and is therefore engaged in a multi-domain war (economic and military) against all centers of non-Western power, with Iran being a critical early theater.

6:35 PM

@zdmc23

​​why did israel never succeed in sowing division among shia and sunni? did they ever try?

6:36 PM

@faturechi

​​They definitely tried. And to some extent have succeeded more today than ever in the past.

6:39 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Berletic argues against the notion that Israel controls the US, stating that if it were true, "the U.S. would have initiated the attack" and would be "catching ballistic missiles, not the Israelis."

6:40 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Israel is s a proxy for US, noting that US is "happy to volunteer them for a war" even if they suffer catastrophic losses, cos purpose of proxies is to have other people fight and die for your wars.

6:41 PM

@Aae-u7s

​​""We don't have an alliance with Israel as you know... but we have a bond to Israel that's much stronger. It's a moral commitment. A moral commitment because of what happened during the Holocaust,..."

6:41 PM

@Aae-u7s

​​" and a moral commitment because it is a democracy. The only democracy in that area...." ~ NIXON

6:42 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​You would expect a proxy of America to use the same political system as America.

6:46 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Daniel is right.

6:47 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Christianity is entirely under the control of the CIA.

6:47 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Has nobody noticed that the American Pope is a CIA appointment?

6:48 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Colonel Wilkerson said on Tucker Carlson that the CIA is looking for an AMERICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH for its nefarious propaganda purposes.

6:48 PM

@lancecleaver227

​​Welcome Daniel … I am still very skeptical but Daniel certainly has only the viewpoints stressed by detractors and those whose headlines “Trump loses” were written from the beginning

6:49 PM

@zdmc23

​​@OOOTLAM so CIA is very successful. don't hate the player, hate the game

6:50 PM

@zdmc23

​​we gotta get to the borders that God promised to abraham

6:50 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Anyone with half a brain should be able to see Christians are discouraged from thinking. They have to switch off their brains and pray to Jesus when they are upset, not think, or talk or act.

6:50 PM

@lancecleaver227

​​I do appreciate these streams Jacob … trying to filter through the crap of mainline propaganda

6:50 PM

@PeterPenroseBach

​​England is under Muslim assault, is this a win?

6:50 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​turkey being forced out of the f-35 program will only improve its positioning as being self reliant

6:51 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​IMO Israel is in the eastern Med/levant not realistically the whole middle east

6:55 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​When Christians switch off their brains and pray to Jesus - which is idolatry - and bad things happen, they blame Jews and Muslims. That is how they roll. This is how bigotry hurts bigots.

6:55 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​Just based on the title what hasn’t trump given the Levant and Middle East

6:56 PM

@zdmc23

​​the trouble you have in modern missile and drone swarm attacks is a lack of land

6:57 PM

@Aae-u7s

​​jacob ...LOL. No. Israel is a powerhouse.

6:59 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​Christians have to switch off their brains to stay Christian. Corruption is ignoring truth. Christians operate through hate, fear and denial. This is particularly unforgivable in Americans.

7:01 PM

@sunrhyze

#3

​Seems like US policy is to make sure Israel survives but also is always in danger. Hezbollah is never disarmed despite all the big talk going back decades

7:02 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​There is absolutely no way you can make the average American care who their government murders and maims in their name. You cannot expect much from people who don't understand their own history.

7:02 PM

@lancecleaver227

​​Jacob don’t you know Israel is the dog wagging it’s USA tail ;)

7:02 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​This would be an interesting discussion to have with Dyer

7:02 PM

@OOOTLAM

#1

​@sunrhyze Israel is the perfect weapons testing ground.

7:02 PM

@sunrhyze

#3

​Francisco Gil White writes about this on his Substack, Management of Reality

7:03 PM

@lancecleaver227

​​I love watching the Chezi and Jacob flesh things out … helps me to see the nuances

7:03 PM

@sunrhyze

#2

​I didn't believe him but it's playing out, even with Trump. Even with Trump

7:06 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​​If you think any US President has any control over US foreign policy, you don't understand the Military Industrial Complex Washington warned Americans against all those years ago.

7:06 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​​@Bush_Concepts Jay Dyer?

7:08 PM

@YawnGod

​​Iran lost. This is what Iran losing looks like.

7:10 PM

@YawnGod

​​@sunrhyze Well, first we need to wait until Friday. Friday Friday Friday.

7:11 PM

@Aae-u7s

​​GREATER ISRAEL 👍

7:11 PM

@Aae-u7s

​​Assuming Euphrates also includes Tigris.

7:12 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#3

​@Aae-u7s Greater Israel already exists when you consider the Gulf Kingdoms who are but US vassal states.

7:12 PM

@Aae-u7s

​​Cairo, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia = Greater Israel

7:12 PM

@YawnGod

​​Ahem...Greater Israel is a conspiracy theory. 🤔

7:12 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#3

​Everywhere on earth is the backyard of Uncle Sam.

7:12 PM

@Aae-u7s

​​s@OfficialSecularKoranism i see your point.

7:12 PM

@YawnGod

​​Israel pioneers AI for no reason, Jacob.

7:14 PM

@sunrhyze

#2

​To be fair, Jacob, we have plenty of wackos in the US military also

7:15 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#2

​@Aae-u7s Thank you for your understanding and acknowledgement.

7:15 PM

@marcfishbein2283

​​Here's a wild thought experiment. What would have to be true for "Greater Israel" to actually be plausible?

7:15 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​Does Frankish Judaism still exist at all only recently learned about the Herasy

7:15 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Zionism is an Anglo-American Imperial Project.

7:15 PM

@AdamDylanMajor

​​well, no more Arabs can make greater Israel possible

7:16 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@faturechi Not heard of the Wolfowitz Doctrine?

7:16 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@faturechi Not heard of FULL SPECTRUM GLOBAL DOMINANCE?

7:16 PM

@AdamDylanMajor

​​Arabs cannot be governed by Israelis

7:17 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​How many US military bases are there in the Middle East?

7:17 PM

@YawnGod

#3

​They say that if the deal goes through and Israel keeps attacking Lebanon...the US will stand down? 🤔 Impossible.

7:18 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​The US maintains a military presence across at least 19 sites in the Middle East. Of these installations, 8 are classified as permanent bases.

7:18 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​2/3s of America just do whatever gives them social credit

7:19 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​The remainder are categorized as "enduring" or "contingency" outposts that can expand or contract based on operational needs.

7:19 PM

@Stephen.D20

​​1/3! Thats a lot of Noahides!

7:19 PM

@sunrhyze

#3

​Oh, most Americans wouldn't be able to name our own states on an unlabeled map

7:19 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Americans don't give a shit about the countries they bomb and destroy. They just turn the page and talk about sport.

7:21 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​#1

​Permanent bases are located in Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan,  Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates (UAE).

7:22 PM

@YawnGod

#2

​I mean, if Israel not a regional power yet, how long will it take for it to become the Light for the Nations? 🤔

7:22 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Additionally, the U.S. operates significant facilities in Syria, Oman, and Israel (via joint exercises, though no permanent base exists there.

7:23 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​There are large bases in Turkey and Djibouti that support regional operations under different commands. This network supports approximately 40,000 to 50,000 U.S. troops stationed in the region.

7:25 PM

@YawnGod

#2

​How does the UK exercise its power given it's so small and puny?

7:25 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@faturechi You don't understand that the sacred belief of antisemites is that Jews are to blame The longer they have blamed Jews, the less likely they are to revise their opinion.

7:26 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@YawnGod The UK is a US missile base.

7:27 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@faturechi Modi is a CIA stooge. He doesn't even speak English FFS!

7:27 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Christian Zionists = BOOMERS

7:29 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@faturechi You don't understand the mind of the antisemite. If you cannot prove your innocence, you are guilty.

7:31 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Christianity is an anachronism because absolute monarchy is an anachronism.

7:31 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Niall Ferguson is a big fat neocon.

7:33 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​Jacob, the UN is a CIA psyop

7:33 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​America is most afraid of Islam ahahaha ...

7:34 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Iranians should insist on regime change in the US, and insist on SK USA ahahahaha

7:41 PM

@lkae4

​​US has been sneaking oil out of the strait

7:42 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​Suprise suprise capitalistic oligarchs are playing nations like the stock market gambling with human lives

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​I petition Israel to be renamed Judah

8:10 PM

@lafamigliabazzani499

​​Can you do a deal in the ME without Kayfabe?

8:16 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Democracy in Israel is a sham.

8:27 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Americans do not deserve to have a foreign policy.

8:27 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​Claire you don't have a veto on american affairs

8:27 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​#3

​they deserve Secular Koranism

8:27 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

#3

​the Final Solution to the Christian Problem

8:27 PM

@huggabumba7519

​​americans deserve to have it all

8:29 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@ezekielcarsella Just making the point AGAIN that Americans don't give a shit who their government maims and murders in their name so it is time to take representative democracy out with the trash.

8:30 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Then unofficial religion of America is antisemitism.

8:31 PM

@chezispero3533

#2

​We share major interests

8:31 PM

@huggabumba7519

​​underselling it jacob

8:31 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Fake Christianity makes Americans stupid and scared.

8:31 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​Indeed

8:32 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​Orthodox Christianity all the way

8:32 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Orthoboneheads will be boneheads.

8:32 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​you have no base, claire

8:33 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@ezekielcarsella You mean Christians are stuck on Jesus worship while hating Jews?

8:33 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​Secular Koranism is the true faith

8:33 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​the pure DIN

8:33 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​Claire, you don't even have 12 followers like Jesus

8:33 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​the Salaf al Salih

8:34 PM

@chezispero3533

​#2

​Correct it's a miracle of technology and they are still having babies

8:34 PM

@almondtree

​​Jews Farming ™

8:34 PM

@chezispero3533

#2

​We supply much of Jorden's water

8:34 PM

@huggabumba7519

​​israel makes those amazing pool robots

8:35 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@ezekielcarsella Yeah, because facts and logic are hateful to Jesus worshipers who hate Jews.

8:36 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@ezekielcarsella Are you Christian?

8:36 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​I am, Claire.

8:36 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@ezekielcarsella That explains everything.

8:43 PM

@sunrhyze

#3

​I believe there are lots of people stupid enough and indoctrinated enough to vote for Hunter Biden

8:44 PM

@almondtree

​​Hi randos United. Who is this?

8:44 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​Questions, did you vote for Obama in 2008?

8:44 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​At this point hunter biden would be the only who wouldn’t lie to you he’d probably run his campaign on not going to jail for drug abuse

8:46 PM

@huggabumba7519

​​jacob is azionist

8:46 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​Jacob is loyal to the Pahlavi Dynasty and the Nation of the Aryans

8:48 PM

@almondtree

​​A rendezvous with Claire Khaw?

8:49 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​sovereignty is non-negotiable

8:52 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​Why wouldn't Jews say Israel has a right to exist when it has the unwavering support of America?

8:54 PM

@sunrhyze

#3

​voter turnout is a recurring problem

8:55 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​This is tikkun olam

8:56 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​Kamala Harris followed Tikkun Olam

8:56 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​1st What do you mean by nation. 2nd what nation has a right to exist

8:56 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@randosunited_1 Oh yes, so I did.

8:57 PM

@Bush_Concepts

​​I don’t know of any nation that has the same right to exist that all humans have a right to life

8:57 PM

@randosunited_1

​​I’m helping people see you as a helper 😇

8:57 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​I think Jews are terribly confused about their identity.

8:57 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@randosunited_1 I am but a Humble Usherette.

8:58 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​I suppose normal people are people you don't know very well. It's just as well I am interested in psychology.

8:58 PM

@huggabumba7519

​​the dolphin nautilus pool cleaning robot is a breakthrough in automated pool care

8:59 PM

@huggabumba7519

​​and is made in israel

8:59 PM

@ezekielcarsella

​​You are interested in destroying male's psychology, claire

8:59 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​Claire opinions on the Ikhwan?

8:59 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​I was very pleased I spotted a Reform Jew today.

9:00 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

#1

​@ezekielcarsella Western men need to give up the religion of women and slaves.

9:00 PM

@AnthonyRuggier-k9s

​​Claire, where does the Muslim Brotherhood stand in the Secular Koranist view?

9:01 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​#1

​@AnthonyRuggier-k9s I disapprove of Wahhabism.

9:01 PM

@OfficialSecularKoranism

​#1

​@AnthonyRuggier-k9s Muslim Brotherhood are has-beens who never were.

Even atheist men have to say they are prepared to die for the principle of being men

Christians who don't believe in the afterlife. 

1:00  The features of organised religion AKA the Abrahamic God

2:00  Heresy and blasphemy are serious offences. 

3:00  The moral imperative

Kant's Supreme Principle of Morality

Immanuel Kant’s categorical imperative is the central concept of his deontological ethics, defined as an unconditional moral command that applies to all rational agents regardless of personal desires or consequences.  Unlike hypothetical imperatives, which are conditional on specific goals (e.g., "if you want to be healthy, exercise"), the categorical imperative dictates action simply because it is morally right. 

Kant formulated this supreme principle of morality in several ways, primarily:

Formula of Universal Law: "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law." This requires testing if the principle behind an action could be consistently applied by everyone without logical contradiction. 

Formula of Humanity: "Treat humanity, whether in your own person or in that of another, always as an end and never as a means only." This emphasizes the intrinsic dignity and autonomy of every rational being, forbidding their use merely as tools for personal gain. 

Kant argued that moral worth derives from duty rather than inclination or outcomes.  Actions are morally valid only if performed out of respect for the moral law itself, making the categorical imperative a rule of pure practical reason that binds all rational beings unconditionally.

6:00  The Noahide laws

It is rational to be moral. 

Morality should be universalisable. 

7:00  Logic would tell us to worship the correct deity correctly to be in good standing with God.

God/Hashem/Allah is not an executed blasphemer. 

God> Holy Spirit > Jesus 

8:00  The Deadly Sin of Pride prevents idolaters from changing their mind. 

9:00  Christians are in a state of neurotic suspension. 

Speaking truth to power without fear of cancellation because we trust God to reward good and punish evil in this life and the next. 

10:00  Is good always rewarded and evil always punished?

11:00  Even atheist men have to say they are prepared to die for the principle of being men.

12:00  Cowardly men will be rejected by their women.

15:00  Religion comes from the Latin "religare" which means "to bind". 

16:00  Christian universalism is atheism. 

17:00  Honouring the fallen

18:00  Confucius on people knowing what they are to supposed to do but not doing.

19:00  Belief in the afterlife

20:00  Why Hindus and Buddhists have not acquired great empire

21:00  Chinese minds are colonised  by Western ideas.

22:00  China is now too successful for the liking of the American Empire. 

23:00  The Founding Fathers were proto-Muslim Noahides and the nation they founded one nation trusting in God.

25:00  Choosing the right book of rules

Online cemeteries, expedition, engagement, Trinity, Orthoboneheads v Protestants

12:03 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo How about after this?

12:06 PM

@βρεττς

​​Claire are you trying to scoop Olson🤣🤣

12:07 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@βρεττς I am keen to expedite matters, yes.

12:07 PM

@βρεττς

​​Olson would do better at letting Rob speak his peace, I think

12:08 PM

@UpCycleClub

​​Hello Claire

12:08 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Claire, when you expedite, do you find you miss crucial steps?

12:08 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​We should have online cemeteries.

12:08 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@SeekingGenuine Such as?

12:09 PM

@βρεττς

​​404 error

12:09 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​That’s an interesting idea about the online cemeteries

12:09 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​It’s tradition. Burying reminds us of the resurrection of the body on the last day.

12:09 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@SeekingGenuine Let's call it Death Book!

12:10 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp This seems unfair to people who did not receive a proper burial.

12:10 PM

@SeekingGenuine

​#1

​@Claire, it’s just a curiosity, as to whether or not you notice that when you value not wasting time, if the quality goes down

12:10 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo Olson only wants the appearance of talking to me.

12:10 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​It’s not necessarily a requirement, but a tradition.

12:10 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​I ask because I feel like when I rush to get to a point I miss the entire journey and make a lot of assumptions or equivocation to get there faster

12:10 PM

@βρεττς

​​He is a listener

12:11 PM

@UpCycleClub

​​@FungsiYukHunPo it would be great for you and Olson to talk. My offer still stands, and if you want, Olson can give you my email address.

12:11 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​I like that @SeekingGenuine.

12:12 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@SeekingGenuine I am just making the point that a policy of non-engagement has its roots in lack of conviction. Men ignoring me and operating a policy of non-engagement only proves my point.

12:12 PM

@βρεττς

​​You’ve been engaged

12:12 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​Not all ideas are worthy of engagement.

12:13 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@chrishoward8473 I wasn't referring to you!

12:13 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​People are

12:13 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​@Jzepp precisely

12:13 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​And you need discernment for that

12:13 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​I love when Chris takes radical accountability

12:13 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp Christians should be interested in theology.

12:13 PM

@UpCycleClub

​​We are having fun.

12:14 PM

@βρεττς

​​So it must be so

12:14 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​It’s all because of you, Chris! That butterfly effect 🦋

12:14 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@MarcInTbilisi Did you get my Trinity as a Jewish joke Substack post?

12:15 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo I am a good listener.

12:15 PM

@Jzepp

​#3

​@OOOTLAM True, but the subject is quite broad and I have spent enough time in it to discover that many of the rabbit trails within theology lead nowhere.

12:16 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​@OOOTLAM , didn't I reply, ergo I read it.

12:16 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​short & sweet @OOOTLAM .

12:17 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@OOOTLAM I have found relationships with flawed people are much more useful for my faith than ideas. It’s quite unexpected.

12:18 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​@Jzepp I feel similarly!

12:18 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp If you want to remain Christian, it is entirely predictable that you would regard the Trinity as an article of faith and dogma.

12:18 PM

@βρεττς

​​Yoav I bet has ideas

12:18 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​Nulcear unnecessary now, hypersonic is the new thing.

12:18 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@MarcInTbilisi I am never really sure if people really understand what I say.

12:19 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp I am a very flawed person!

12:19 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​@OOOTLAM , there was a jump in your logic which I couldn't gap.

12:19 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@MarcInTbilisi Please explain.

12:20 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@MarcInTbilisi Or even better, comment.

12:20 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​you did a 'therefore trinity' jump.

12:20 PM

@YoavBressler

​​Re. nuc's: the answer is that we do not know what under the tables arrangements are there in place.

12:20 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​I'll comment

12:21 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@MarcInTbilisi Thank you!

12:22 PM

@βρεττς

​​Rain falls on the just and the unjust

12:22 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​America nuked Japan twice.

12:22 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons (but they'll use them if they have to). Nobody wants to be first.

12:22 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@MarcInTbilisi Israel is an American colony.

12:22 PM

@βρεττς

​​Every simulation shows the first person that shoots loses

12:23 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@OOOTLAM I don’t like to spar as much as you. I know you well enough to know this is your new jab and I don’t want to fight today. It’s too early here!

12:26 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@Fungsi Are you saying Chad is a hoax?

12:26 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Not just you!

12:26 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​The world feels heavier from my perspective

12:26 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp I find it disturbing that nobody wants to solve problems with facts and logic and it never is the right time to heed your moral imperative.

12:27 PM

@βρεττς

​​I read letters from Nagasaki

12:27 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp Because Chad is the most prominent representative of TLC apart from PVK?

12:27 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@Fungsi I found that if I can try to match my circle of concern with my circle of influence, the world seems more right-sized.

12:28 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Zepp, I agree

12:29 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo Orthoboneheads used to be White Nationalists.

12:29 PM

@βρεττς

​​Anyone that asks questions is attacked

12:29 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@OOOTLAM I find TLC to be a ‘friendship first’ kind of place. ‘Ideas first’ doesn’t quite fit its paradigm.

12:30 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@FungsiYukHunPo Did you hear Joseph training to be deacon spout his White Nationalist talking points at me on Luke's channel?

12:30 PM

@YoavBressler

​​PvK picked a fight with nobody

12:31 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp TLC does talk about Jordan Peterson issues and Christian Nationalism AKA White Nationalism.

12:32 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@YoavBressler You just have to say something someone disagrees with and you will be accused of having "picked a fight".

12:32 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​How can I have listened to so much TLC and not once have heard Christian Nationalism promoted?

12:32 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@OOOTLAM You are referring to a media strawman of white nationalism. Not the real thing.

12:32 PM

@βρεττς

​​That’s true Claire

12:32 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Emotional manipulation keeps you stuck in thinking about that loop that keeps you stuck

12:33 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@stefaniecristos8514 It is just discussed by PVK and is now being discussed at CRC.

12:33 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Oh my gosh, I have been to that Panera many times!

12:33 PM

@YoavBressler

​​As Christianity was born in the east, calling E.O. imperialism is slander.

12:33 PM

@βρεττς

​​We’re only trying to define it

12:33 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp White Nationalists have heeded the warning that race cannot be their religion.

12:34 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​My God that was a dull conversation

12:34 PM

@βρεττς

​​They are talking. So that’s good

12:34 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​pouring from the empty into the void

12:34 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@YoavBressler White Nationalists cannot be expected to understand European history. I did stream about this yesterday mentioning The Idiot by Dostoevsky.

12:34 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​@marc you seem to be a man who enjoys some spice

12:35 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​The best thing about that conversation was the difference in their perspective comment sections. If you want to understand the difference, ask Gemini to parse out the comments. It’s enlightening.

12:35 PM

@stefaniecristos8514

​​Discussing is not promoting, Claire. 🤷‍♀

12:35 PM

@βρεττς

​​Yes Jzepp

12:35 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​@SeekingGenuine my wife munches on chillies, I just swipe my hand.

12:36 PM

@βρεττς

​​Polarized

12:36 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​@Jzepp Orthodox Christianity is the weakest of all the big 3 Christian denominations since it has failed to defend the divine right of any Orthodox Christian monarch to rule.

12:36 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Living by fear gives these P&P their power!

12:36 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​It’s very right brain vs. left brain. Pageau-right, Ortlund-left.

12:37 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​yes @Jzepp , the head trying to relate to the heart, which it can't.

12:37 PM

@βρεττς

​​Yep Jzepp

12:37 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​While there are Catholic and Protestant monarchs in Europe, the Orthodox Christian monarch is now extinct.

12:37 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​And you can’t grasp something tangible to say “look what this is”, and so you feel like a crazy person talking about its effects

12:37 PM

@YoavBressler

​​but Christianity is the anti dot to the empire

12:37 PM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​However…wind causes a lot of damage and you can’t see that, just its effects

12:38 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​@OOOTLAM Orthodox has no interest in monarchy and never will. They don’t even elect a leader for themselves.

12:38 PM

@Jzepp

#3

​Yes! @Marc

12:38 PM

@OOOTLAM

​​If the FBI decided to do a crackdown on Christian Nationalists, their first port of call would be the Orthoboneheads of fighting age.

Trust, Blasphemy and Heresy

10:42 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

​​All Christian denominations have accused the others of heresy/blasphemy.

10:42 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

​​Jesus was accused of blasphemy.

10:44 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​If Jesus did indeed say he was son of God, then he was guilty of blasphemy, according to Jews. Muslims assume Jesus was wrongly accused and convicted.

10:47 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Blasphemy is basically anything said or done that would offend God if He exists. If God is not in fact Jesus, He would be offended that Christians pray to Jesus instead of God.

10:47 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​To be fair to the Founding Fathers, they were Unitarians. Thomas Jefferson definitely was with his Jefferson Bible.

10:49 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Jews and Muslims think of the Holy Ghost as the Agent of God sent by God - who cannot enter His own Universe because that would defy the logic of the system He created.

10:50 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​If Americans would but understand the objectives of the Founding Fathers, it was to reject the political system of absolute monarchy which they regarded as tyranny.

10:50 AM

@alohm

​​Blasphemy/Vilification, like the modern secular world - the animosity closes their minds to potential

10:50 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​Blasphemy means to speak harm

10:51 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Example of taking God's name in vain: OMFG.

10:51 AM

@alohm

​​vilification also means to speak harm - but the speak also speaks to breath and logos

10:52 AM

@alohm

​​If God Breathed or spoke our souls into us - no surprise how powerful speech can be

10:53 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​It is really quite simple, but Christians over the centuries have confused themselves and been confused by the false doctrine.

10:54 AM

@UpCycleClub

​​It's good silly, Brett.

10:54 AM

@alohm

​​βλασφημία (blasphēmia, Strong's G988) is a Greek noun meaning blasphemy, slander, defamation, or reviling.

10:55 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​The most important thing if you believe in the afterlife is to avoid the worse place. Idolatry and blasphemy is a mortal sin if not repented before death.

10:55 AM

@alohm

​​so to denounce our commitment to our trust/faith? Acts 26:11

10:55 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​If you’re even afraid that you might have violated blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I would say Holy Spirit is in your heart.

10:55 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​@alohm Who wrote Acts?

10:55 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​The Koran does not mention blasphemy at all.

10:56 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​Luke

10:57 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​The Koran actually supports the First Amendment with 2:256 and says God does not need a protector with 17:111 ie God does not need blasphemy laws to protect His hurty feelings.

10:58 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Isaiah 45:7 actually says we are to blame God if we suffer evil and consider ourselves punished for our sins or being tested to see if we deserve something better than what we already have.

10:58 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​If you're even afraidthat you might have violatedblasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I would say you have the Holy Spirit in your heart.

10:58 AM

@alohm

​​when you hear Allah’s revelations being denied and ridiculed, do not sit with them until they engage in some other conversation. Otherwise, you would be like them..."

10:58 AM

@alohm

​​"And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge."

10:59 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​I wonder if any of this is getting through. Probably not. I just have to have it on record that I tried, even if it fell on stony ground.

10:59 AM

@alohm

​​I Agree brett - the meaning of the paraclete is to walk beside us as we learn on this path - Trust or commitment in our path, devotion

11:00 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Muhammad himself was told not to despair. He just had to fulfil his role as messenger. Not his problem if people pretended not to understand as long as he was on record for having told them clearly.

11:00 AM

@alohm

​​Jung found that even tribes that said they had no faith - they still had rites they practiced with trust

11:01 AM

@alohm

​​we all need a helper - a mentor and guide - that should be the community of believers - ecclesia?

11:02 AM

@alohm

​​That is the oldest tenet of most religions - to love others as you love thyself - simple alignment to compassion, a love that forgives...

11:02 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​@alohm Yep, the tribes were told to obey even if they did not believe. The results would obtain their belief in time.

11:03 AM

@alohm

​​no Jesus asked - Pisteuo - to be convinced - confidence - not belief in the modern parlance

11:03 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Surah Ash-Shu'ara (26:208-209): "We have never destroyed a society without warners, to remind them, for We would never wrong anyone."

11:03 AM

@alohm

​​a trust, a confidence gained in practice...

11:03 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Surah Fatir (35:24): "Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner."

11:03 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​You're supposed to trust in God to protect you when you speak truth to power.

11:04 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Surah Al-Isra (17:15): "No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And We would never punish until We have sent a messenger to warn them."

11:04 AM

@alohm

​​Jesus aligned the Leviticus mandate to love the neighbor as being an essential part of the Shema - Deuteronomy 6 -

11:04 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Surah Al-Qasas (28:59): "And never did your Lord destroy the civilisations, till He had raised up in the birth-place of that civilisation a Messenger reciting to them Our Verses."

11:05 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​When you're talking, you're not listening let alone heeding.

11:05 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​But that's the idea, to talk over truth so you can ignore it.

11:05 AM

@alohm

​​That is the Chesed - we invented the word Loving Kindness because our idea of love was not enough to contain the covenantal love...

11:06 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​It's all about ignoring the moral imperative with displacement therapy ...

11:07 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Bigotry hurts bigots, chauvinism hurts chauvinists, in the end.

11:07 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​New literary device in New Testament

11:07 AM

@alohm

​​I am looking into the word heresy - good string to pull

11:08 AM

@alohm

​​Long before it had anything to do with religion, the Greek word hairesis ($αἵρεσις$) was completely neutral. It came from the verb haireo, meaning "to choose" or "a thing chosen."

11:09 AM

@alohm

​​That is Heresy - to choose your sect or path - funny how sematic shift works

11:10 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​Just like a language

11:10 AM

@alohm

​​That chosen path or school of thought was your hairesis.

11:10 AM

@alohm

​​Like the word cult - I did the deep dive on that one last week - was not an insult at one point

11:10 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​Yeah

11:11 AM

@alohm

​​to speak against is blaspheme - to choose your path - heresy - to prophesize is to speak to anther path or interpretation?

11:11 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​I am telling Christians 999,999,999 x2 = 1,999,999,998 and being told "Shaddup, we just want to get there by adding each sum to with 1 until we get there."

11:12 AM

@alohm

​​Jesus speaking that to wear the Shema is not the message in Deut 6 - it is to live it - that is Heresy at the time to many?

11:12 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​Heresy is blasphemy.

11:12 AM

@alohm

​​To some it was Blasphemous - but to Jesus it was the meaning of the Shema?

11:12 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​Seers

11:13 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​@alohm Orthodox Jews say they have no record of Jesus at all.

11:13 AM

@βρεττς

#2

​All ancient cultures had seers

11:13 AM

@alohm

​​Son's of Adam

11:14 AM

@alohm

​​isiaih 21 - Go set a watchman - have them tell what they see - Seers 😉

11:14 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​None of this matters. What matters if God exists is not to break his first and second commandments and die guilty of a mortal sin ending up in the worse place.

11:15 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#1

​You are supposed to trust that good will be rewarded and evil punished in this life and the next. That is all! GAH!!!!!!

11:15 AM

@alohm

​​That is why we are introduced to the paraclete - the Koinonia - we support each other and the spirit...

11:15 AM

@alohm

​​*Spirit supports us - not we it **

11:16 AM

@alohm

​​Surah 4:125 - All believers in the God of Abraham - doers of good works and followers of truth.

11:16 AM

@SeekingGenuine

​​That feels like the structure of a marriage, with the woman trusting in the man to be liking towards God

11:16 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Jacob's ladder is the law. The law is your way to God. OMG. Why is this so hard to understand?? We - Jews and gentiles - all wrestle with the interpretation of the law.

11:16 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​No one can be trusted completely.

11:17 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Some friends can be trusted with your secrets but not with your money or daughter.

11:17 AM

@alohm

​​The only metaphysical trust is in the Lord not in earthly powers or the promised potential of people?

11:18 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​At some level we have to trust in our judgement if it is based on conviction. Christians do not seem to be convinced that there is an afterlife with the crazy things they say eg Luke's universalism.

11:19 AM

@alohm

​​Godly Trust is Pistis Emunah, the earthy faith is another thing - One with F the other f?

11:19 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​We have to have faith that good will triumph over evil. That is all.

11:19 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​If we believe that good will triumph over evil, then we will get our shit together to speak truth to power.

11:19 AM

@βρεττς

#3

​Yeah we trust people with as much as we know them. Not more

11:20 AM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​What’s the difference between trust and faith

11:20 AM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​This seems to be a confusion

11:20 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@SeekingGenuine Nothing in practical terms.

11:20 AM

@alohm

​​but good does not triumph over evil - the evil is in us so evil will confront evil with our discernment in Deut 5.29 - To engage that heart of our hearts is tikkun olam...

11:21 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@alohm So you don't believe in the afterlife?

11:21 AM

@βρεττς

#3

​Know/Trust/Rely/Commit/Touch you don’t move to the next category before the previous one is higher

11:21 AM

@alohm

​​@SeekingGenuine That is a great word study - at one time they meant the same thing - a commitment in your path

11:21 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@alohm You are Reform!

11:22 AM

@βρεττς

#3

​Basically, you don’t rely on somebody more than you can trust them and you don’t trust them more than you know them

11:22 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Shoulda woulda coulda ...

11:22 AM

@alohm

​​Trust as emanating from above -= so the trust we have in people is a result of their faith in something greater than themselves - You will know my faith thru my works?

11:23 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@alohm No way are you an Orthodox Jew the way you talk.

11:23 AM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Trust seems to be grounded in a more concrete or objectified or grasped and known entity, whereas faith seems to be a relinquish of the grasp

11:24 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@AmIDriving Be binary, Scott. The binary code is a call to action. Putting everything in the category of maybe would have the effect of discouraging action.

11:24 AM

@alohm

​​@SeekingGenuine They are the same - you can try to add a difference but that is sematic - word games

11:24 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo I despise mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus.

11:24 AM

@alohm

​​SOme of yall love to speak about people not to them?

11:25 AM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​@alohm yeah word games stay in the propositional

11:25 AM

@alohm

​​@SeekingGenuine and often used by the malevolent to blaspheme your faith because they lack the same

11:26 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#3

​@alohm Reform Jews are considered heretics by Orthodox Jews.

11:27 AM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​@alohm yes, we love to use categories and terms to act for us

11:27 AM

@βρεττς

​​Check out the movie His Only Son

11:27 AM

@UpCycleClub

​​@SeekingGenuine It is difficult to express such things but I willl try. The “do ut des” model expresses trust, because it assumes reciprocity, but not faith, because faith doesn't depend on exchange.

11:27 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo Most Western Christians understand virtually nothing about the burned and bloody history of Christianity because they have been kept in the dark by their lying governments.

11:28 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo Gnosticism was snake oil Christianity before Christianity was established by Constantine.

11:28 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

​#2

​@AmIDriving Don't you believe in the afterlife?

11:30 AM

@UpCycleClub

​​@alohm also Deuteronomy 31:6

11:30 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

#2

​Only God who rewards good and punishes evil in this life and the next would make it logical for us to believe that good will be rewarded and evil punished, measure for measure, eventually.

11:30 AM

@SeekingGenuine

#1

​Afterlife or not, I think that’s not for me to be concerning myself with—it’s above my pay grade. I think Jesus calls us to be in the present moment and trust what will come will come

11:31 AM

@MaryamSafiyaKhan

​#2

​@FungsiYukHunPo Gnosticism was just hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo.