Socratic questioning on Secular Koranism with Israeli Characteristics with @AdarWeinreb ​

 

​​1. Is Israel an American colony?

​2. Do Jews have an official religious leader? (Catholics can say they have a Pope and Episcopalians can say they have an Archbishop of Canterbury.)

​Secular Koranism with Israeli Characteristics makes a one-state solution possible.

​3. Why isn't Israel a constitutional republic?

​4. Why don't religious Jews care that they don't have an official religious leader?

​5. Who divided Jews into Haredim, Masortim, Datim and Hilonim?

​6. Are Hilonim higher status than Haredim?

​7. Why are Hilonim higher status than Haredim?

​8. As far as God is concerned, are only the Haredim kosher?

​9. What does it say about Jewry if three of the four groups are in fact heretics?

​10. Isn't the Koran is arguably Zionist?

​11. If the Koran is arguably Zionist, then the only problem with Jews living in the Holy Land is whether they should live in a theocracy, isn't it?

​12. Aren't the Arabs the proletariat of Israel?

​13. What does it say about the viability of Christian Zionism if Israelis have to keep mowing the lawn to keep the numbers of Muslims comfortably low necessitating their replacement with non-Arabs?

​14. Isn't Israel run on the principles of Christian Zionism?

​15. Are Jews the mascot of Uncle Sam?

​16. Do Jews have an accountable and principled leader?

​17. What explains increasing numbers of Jews dissociating themselves from Zionism?

​18. Is atheism a moral system?

​19. Why don't Jews ask for a codified constitution if they are so smart?

​20. If Jews are not smart enough to ask for a constitutional republic, are they stupid?

​21. Is there an attempt to lower the voting age to 17 in Israel?

​22. If there is an attempt to lower the voting age, does this mean the government doesn't think there are enough stupid voters around?

​23. Why does the government want more and more stupid voters around?

​24. Aren't Muslims the workforce of Israel?

William Tyndale the Protestant martyr

 

9:00  Chris Howard does not seem to understand that under SK, belief is optional ie neither forbidden nor compulsory.

SK would not forbid praying ie personal interaction with a Higher Power.

11:00  Prayer concentrates the mind if nothing else. 

12:00  The reason for my agnosticism

13:00  Atheists are always wishing for things ie praying.

14:00  "God if you exist ... "

15:00  Our relationship with God

16:00  Stoicism

18:00  Fighting for our principles

19:00  Rules and boundaries

20:00   https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2026/10/catholic-woman-admits-she-is-nihilist.html

21:00  People are afraid of being understood. 

22:00  Organised religion and the afterlife

23:00  Papal Conclave forever

24:00  Decisive moral action

25:00  Teacher: "What did I just say?"

26:00  Steel man and straw man

27:00  It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. 

Morality

28:00  Holding our rulers to account without knowing the rules is impossible.  

29:00  George Washington farewell speech

30:00  Mandatory, Advisory, Discretionary

31:00  Monarchy v Republic

32:00  William Tyndale

34:00  Marginal notes

35:00  Constantine the Great

36:00  Church to "congregation"

37:00  Priest to "elder/senior",  charity to "love", penance to "repentance"

Baptist

39:00  Baptists not Protestants?  

40:00  Northern and Southern Baptists and the American Civil War

41:00  Jefferson Bible

The confirmation ceremony did not start as a separate event; it originated in the early Church (1st to 3rd centuries) as part of a single, unified rite of Christian initiation (Baptism, anointing/laying on of hands, and the Eucharist) performed together for adult converts. [1, 2]

Catholic Church

• Unified Beginning (1st–4th Century): In the early centuries, baptism, the laying on of hands (the root of confirmation), and first communion were given all at once during the Easter Vigil by the bishop. [1, 2]
• Separation (5th–6th Century): As Christianity spread to rural areas and infant baptism became common, local bishops could no longer attend every baptism. To preserve the bishop’s role in completing initiation, the anointing and laying on of hands were delayed and became a separate ceremony. [1]
• Term and Codification: The term confirmatio appeared by the mid-5th century (used by figures like Leo the Great and Faustus of Riez), and it evolved through the Middle Ages into a distinct sacrament of the Latin (Roman Catholic) Church. [1, 2, 3]

Anglican Church (Church of England)

• Reformation Continuity and Adaptation (16th Century): The Anglican Church inherited the practice from the Western Catholic tradition. During the English Reformation, Anglicanism demoted confirmation from its status as a strict gospel sacrament (classifying it instead as a "lesser" or pastoral rite), while retaining the historic order of bishops and the laying on of hands. [1, 2, 3]
• Evolution: The Church of England established its own distinct liturgical framework for confirmation in the early Book of Common Prayer, transforming it into a moment for baptized individuals (often adolescents) to publicly confirm their baptismal vows after catechism. [1, 2, 3]

48:00  None of Chris's children baptised.

53:00  Catholicism in America

54:00  Rhode Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island

Catholic woman admits she is a nihilist

So morality is just an emotion?

1:00  Is Megan admitting to nihilism?

1:00  No example given, no example asked.

2:00  So you're basically saying you have no convictions?

2:45  Can you give an example of what is sustainable regardless of morality?  Are you basically admitting that you are a nihilist?

3:00  You can only be righteous if you have principles. What are your principles? If you're saying your principles are Catholic principles, what are Catholic principles? If you're saying your principles have nothing to do with Catholicism, are you in fact admitting that you are a nihilist who has no principles because you are not sure about anything and are suspicious of people who have moral convictions? Do you know what a moral conviction is? If there is no answer, I will assume that you have none, making you a nihilist, as I suspected all along. All people claiming to be Christians do not really worship the Trinity. So why do they claim to be  Christian? It is just the Religion of Mum and Dad. Why would anyone pretend to be Christian if they don't have Christian beliefs and don't care to discuss the Trinity? Is it because they think it is too hot a topic to discuss or because they are actually bored by the whole thing? 

3:00  What is "it"?

The most common term for someone who doubts everything is a *skeptic* (or *sceptic* in British English), defined as a person who habitually doubts accepted beliefs and requires evidence before accepting truth.

Other specific terms depend on the nature of the doubt:

*   **Doubting Thomas**: Someone who refuses to believe anything until they see physical proof themselves.

*   **Cynic**: Someone who is skeptical of human sincerity and generally distrusts others' motives.

*   **Pyrrhonian**: A pedantic term for a skeptic who doubts everything, including the possibility of knowing any truth.

*   **Denialist**: A person who rejects established facts or evidence despite strong proof to the contrary.

Is this what you are confessing to, Megan - Are you basically saying that you have no moral convictions?

Interestingly, none of the Seven Dwarves raised an eyebrow.

45:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins. What is "it"?

46:00  EU referendum

47:00  Was Christianity it?

48:00  Being American is the stronger identity for Megan and her associates, isn't it?

47:00  Principles are to die for.

59:00  Brett talks about what it means to believe.

1:01:00  Freudian Theory

1:03:00  Flow state

1:04:00  Mega is just not feeling it. 

1:05:00  It should be a pleasure to do our duty. 

1:07:00  Questioning our own motives

Adan and Eve

1:08:00  Jesus wouldn't do a thing  like this. 

1:09:00  Satan is sent to tempt us into disobedience. 

1:10:00  Minimum standards

100% and pass mark

1:11:00  Mortal sins

1:12:00  Christian Universalism or eternal damnation for all Christians who die guilty of idolatry and blasphemy.

Khalid Safir on the Cornell 7, no fault divorce, the sarco pod and the loss of social skills

1:00  Sex, marriage and romance

2:00  Cornell 7

3:00  Single sex universities

4:00  Reckless endangerment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Cornell_University_rape_allegations

7:00  Crime and punishment

8:00  Post coital withdrawal of consent

9:00  The Islamic answer  to Western social problems

11:00  Pregnant schoolgirls

Suicide pods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarco_pod

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59577162

13:00  Being ghosted

14:00  Plenty of fish in the sea

Shared memories

15:00  "Cheers - where everyone knows your name"

Avatar

Smart People

16:00  Social skills and emotional intelligence

18:00  How are the mighty fallen

Wisdom > cunning

19:00  Evil/insane/stupid

20:00  The Aztec Empire

Ancient Egyptians

21:00  The Sword of Damocles

22:00  Declining empires

23:00  Sex in the animal kingdom

24:00  Marriage 

25:00  Random raping

26:00  Transgender women

28:00  Why women have to choose

29:00  Forced marriages

30:00  The Romantic Movement

Asking for the father for his daughter's hand in marriage

31:00  Women must have the right to choose their spouse. 

33:00  Fornication forbidden

Cornell 7

34:00  Fathers know how men think.

36:00  Attractive men also end up on the shelf.

Monogamy

37:00  Fornication

Prostituton

38:00  Bad women are for bad men. 

Abolition of no fault divorce

40:00  Is no fault divorce Islamic?

41:00  Waiting period

43:00  Wife-beating verse 

quran.com/4/34

45:00  Healthy African birth rate

47:00  Paul Vanderklay

48:00  Food stamps

SK USA

49:00  The Founding Father

50:00  Salem Witch Trials

51:00  Monogamy

53:00  Full marks or pass mark

54:00  Electronic communication  v social interaction

55:00  Large lump sum payment

56:00  50/50 fault

Better the devil you know.

58:00  Suicide rate is lower in married people. 

59:00  Domesticity

1:00:00  If we are murdered, we are more likely to be murdered our spouse - opportunity and proximity. 

Joseph Albo separated the core beliefs of Judaism from peripheral ones

**Joseph Albo**, a key Jewish delegate at the **Disputation of Tortosa (1413–1414)**, formulated the three root principles of Judaism in his work *Sefer ha-Ikkarim*, which was written following the disputation. These three fundamental beliefs, which he argued are necessary for divine law to exist, are:

*   **Belief in the existence of God**

*   **Belief in revelation** (that the Torah is the word of God)

*   **Belief in divine retribution** (which includes the immortality of the soul)

While Albo participated in the disputation against the Christian convert **Geronimo de Santa Fe**, his specific formulation of these three roots and their derivative "branches" was developed to define the essential dogmas of Judaism distinct from other faiths.

To clarify the terminology from my previous answer, Joseph Albo's system in *Sefer ha-Ikkarim* actually has **three** hierarchical levels, like a tree:

## The 8 Derivative Principles (*Shorashim*)

These are logically necessary consequences of the three roots. Denying any of them constitutes **heresy**:

 

## The 6 Branches (*Anafim*)

These are obligatory dogmas of **lesser** status — denying them is a **sin**, not heresy, since the "tree" of Judaism can stand without them:

1. Creation *ex nihilo*

2. The supremacy of Moses' prophecy

3. The immutability of the Torah

4. The possibility of attaining human perfection through the performance of a single commandment

5. The resurrection of the dead

6. The coming of the Messiah

So the key distinction: the *shorashim* are indispensable to the existence of divine law itself, while the *anafim* are particular to Judaism specifically but can be "pruned" without destroying the trunk.

Antisemitism is evidence of atheism or incorrect belief in God

Pleonasms

2:00  Antisemitism included Arabs because of their rejection of the Trinity. 

3:00  Christianity is a hold-all for White Supremacy.

Jews are required to accept converts.s 

4:00  Antisemitism is evidence of atheism or incorrect belief in God. 

Isaiah 45:7 and Job

6:00  Jews are the eternal fall guy/stooge of gentiles.

8:00  Jew blaming is the sacred narrative of antisemites.

9:00  Atheism is the idolatry of atheists worshiping their own dumb opinions who are also hypocrites hoping to benefit from the status of the religious group they claim to be a member of. 

11:00  The utility and logic of the Abrahamic God

12:00  Principled leadership required.

13:00  The purpose of our life is to display our moral agency that we have because of our free will. Using our moral reasoning, we are supposed to show that we are capable knowing the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice once we understand the terms of the divine bargain between God and Man. 

Mortal sin

14:00  Blasphemy is a mortal sin. 

15:00  Human history is linear. 

16:00  Hypocrites should blame themselves. 

17:00  Lurve

19:00  Polytheism is always defeated by Ockham's Razor.

22:00  Polytheism is anthropomorphism.

Splash pregnancy

23:00  Unfalsifiable premises

24:00  Scientists and ethical monotheists agree about the Creation.

26:00  Righteous and unrighteous indviduals

27:00  Panderers panderer

28:00  Three kinds of Trinitarians

29:00  Were any of the Founding Fathers Catholic?

AI Overview

**Yes, several of the Founding Fathers were Catholic.** **Charles Carroll of Carrollton** was the only Catholic to sign the Declaration of Independence, while **Daniel Carroll** and **Thomas Fitzsimons** were the only two Catholics to sign the United States Constitution.

*   **Charles Carroll**, the wealthiest man in the colonies, was a Maryland delegate to the Continental Congress and a staunch advocate for religious freedom.

*   **Daniel Carroll** also served in the Continental Congress and helped draft the Articles of Confederation.

*   **Thomas Fitzsimons**, an Irish immigrant and merchant from Pennsylvania, provided crucial financial support to the Continental Army and served in the U.S. House of Representatives.

*   **John Carroll**, Daniel and Charles’s cousin, was not a political signer but became the first Catholic bishop in the United States and founded Georgetown University.

Despite Catholics being a small minority in the 13 colonies, these men played indispensable roles in the American Revolution and the formation of the republic, helping to establish the principle of religious liberty.

30:00  Confused Christians

32:00  Christendom

33:00  Christian Anarchism, Christian Universalism, Christian Astrology

34:00  How boomers think

"My boomer dad" 

35:00  What boomers could be doing

36:00  What PVK dares not discuss

37:00  George Washington's farewell speech

https://www.americanmajority.org/blog-2/why-was-george-washington-opposed-to-political-parties/

38:00  Conspiracy theories

40:00  Belief in God is a conspiracy theory. 

... and you're going to hell.

No. Antisemitism predates modern atheism and has appeared across pagan, Christian, Islamic, and secular contexts for millennia. Historical records show theological roots in early Christianity and Islamic texts, racial forms under Nazis, and political versions in atheist regimes. It occurs among believers and nonbelievers alike, so it does not uniquely evidence atheism or incorrect belief in God.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

@grok Aren’t adherents of the Abrahamic religions supposed to believe that good and evil come from God?

— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026

Yes. Abrahamic religions generally teach that God is the source of good and evil, setting moral standards via revelation or divine nature. This does not mean every adherent correctly grasps or follows them. Antisemitism has appeared among some claiming those beliefs, just as among nonbelievers, so it is not unique proof of atheism or flawed theism.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

@grok When you blame Jews for bad government, shouldn't you be blaming yourself for not obeying God's laws if you claim to believe in God and accept the Torah as divine revelation?

— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026

No. Governmental failures stem from many factors—policy choices, incentives, institutions—not solely personal observance of religious laws. Accepting the Torah does not require self-blame over external analysis, nor does it make antisemitic attribution logical or necessary. Such blame appears among theists and atheists alike.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

No. Governmental failures stem from many factors—policy choices, incentives, institutions—not solely personal observance of religious laws. Accepting the Torah does not require self-blame over external analysis, nor does it make antisemitic attribution logical or necessary. Such blame appears among theists and atheists alike.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

@grok Doesn't Isaiah 45: 7 say that good and evil come from God?

— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026

Yes. Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) states God forms light and creates darkness, makes peace and creates evil. Most modern versions render the Hebrew "ra" as calamity or disaster. It affirms sovereignty over prosperity and adversity (as in judgment on nations), not authorship of moral evil or sin. Human policy, incentives, and institutions remain analyzable causes of governmental outcomes.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

@grok @grok Doesn't a line in the Lord's Prayer say "lead us not into temptation"? This means Satan is God's agent provocateur and Prosecuting Counsel.

— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026

Yes, Matthew 6:13 includes "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." James 1:13 states God tempts no one. The request seeks protection from unbearable testing or the evil one. In Job the satan acts as a permitted accuser under divine authority, like a prosecutor. Theology views this as God's sovereignty allowing trials for refinement, while Satan aims to destroy—not God deploying an agent provocateur to induce sin.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

@grok @grok Does the Koran say Allah creates evil?

— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026

The Quran says in 113:2 "from the evil of that which He created" and calls Allah the Creator of all things (39:62). Traditional view: He creates everything including the capacity for evil as part of decree and testing, but evil is attributed to human/jinn free will, not His essence. Creating is not committing evil.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

@grok Could it be said that the purpose of our life is to show that we know the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice in order to get to the better place in the afterlife?

— OOOTLAM/Operating Only On Truth, Logic & Morality (@Book_of_Rules) October 15, 2026

@Book_of_Rules Yes. Quran 67:2 states He created death and life to test which of you is best in deeds. This involves knowing and practicing good versus evil via free will. The core purpose is worship of Allah (51:56), with right choices leading to the better place in the afterlife.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

@Book_of_Rules Yes. Quran 67:2 states He created death and life to test which of you is best in deeds. This involves free will to choose good over evil. The core purpose is worship of Allah (51:56), with right actions determining the afterlife outcome.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

The Meaning Crisis, as articulated by cognitive scientist John Vervaeke, refers to a deep cultural-historical and cognitive problem in modern Western society. It underlies rising mental health issues like anxiety, depression, and suicide, plus broader environmental and political crises. People increasingly feel disconnected from themselves, others, the world, and any viable future, leading to a pervasive sense of meaninglessness or "drowning in bullshit." Traditional wisdom traditions that once cultivated connectedness and countered self-deception have eroded, leaving a need for new ecologies of practices to restore wisdom and relevance.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

Yes. Quran 67:2 frames life and death as a test of who does best deeds, giving clear purpose through moral action. 51:56 states jinn and humans were created only to worship Allah. Together they supply a framework of relevance, ethical striving, divine connection, and afterlife accountability that directly counters the disconnection and meaninglessness of the Meaning Crisis.

— Grok (@grok) October 15, 2026

"Superstition is transactional" - What does this even mean?

I am not primarily a YouTuber.

https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2026/10/to-best-of-my-knowledge-and-belief.html

2:00  Superstition can easily be distinguished from ethical monotheism. 

3:00  Heresy is wrongthink.

4:00  The Deadly Sin of Heaven

5:00  Nathan and Shari locked horns.

6:00  The difference between religion and superstition

7:00  Giving up our wrongthink

8:00  Ron Copperman is a heretical Jew. 

9:00  A Nazi who loves Jews

11:00  Shari's comment

12:00  Status

Anglophobia

13:00  Shari told the men there is no difference between thriving and surviving and no one contradicted her.

14:00  Mark S

16:00  Mark Parker

17:00  Mark Parker doesn't feel that he needs to believe in the Trinity or  the Bible stories he doesn't agree with and still be Christian. 

19:00  Tertullian: "We believe in it because it is absurd." 

20:00  Ethical monotheists are supposed to believe that all good and evil come from God.

21:00  Atheism is harmful because narcissistic nihilists and atheists suffering from the Deadly Sin of Pride who worship their own opinions will be so intellectually dishonest they won't concede a point even when they cannot argue against it.