On righteousness

 

10:53 AM

@DianaRigger

​​How about seeking righteousness?

10:54 AM

@DianaRigger

#3

​@YoavBressler How would you define righteousness?

10:55 AM

@DianaRigger

#3

​@SeekingGenuine Would you like to define righteousness?

10:56 AM

@DianaRigger

#2

​@Eolson-helper Do you think a moral and religious people would be righteous? @ZuluScout

10:59 AM

@DianaRigger

#2

​We are discussing child rearing. Will we move on to pets next instead of defining righteousness?

11:00 AM

@DianaRigger

#2

​How would the panel define righteousness?

11:00 AM

@DianaRigger

#2

​Are the panel at all interested in defining righteousness? Is the hostess?

11:01 AM

@DianaRigger

#2

​Is righteousness an alien idea to the panel and the chat?

11:03 AM

@DianaRigger

#3

​@ZuluScout Abstract thinking and defining terms is not their strong suit.

11:03 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@ZuluScout They don't know and don't care.

11:04 AM

@DianaRigger

​#1

​@ZuluScout "What 's in it for me?" is all they can think of. Righteousness sounds like being honest, reasonable and fair. They don't want to go there.

11:05 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Malign encouragement: just go have illegitimate offspring, says Chad.

11:08 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@ZuluScout Do you think none of them wanting to address the issue of seeking righteousness is sinister?

11:09 AM

@βρεττς

​​Justice is getting what you do deserve.Mercy is not getting what you do deserve.Grace is getting what you do not deserve.

11:11 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Justice can include mercy.

11:15 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Is seeking righteousness weird?

11:15 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Do Christians think righteousness is anachronistic or just TLC?

11:16 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Your offspring will always be your offspring.

11:17 AM

@βρεττς

#3

​Kind of cold the term, offspring

11:18 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Your offspring will be your offspring the day they were born and the day they die. No changing that.

11:19 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Just trying to prevent a 3 hour discussion about when children become adult along the lines of Mark Parker asking if we are bacon. The law implies an age of criminal responsibility.

11:19 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Too bad Christians don't consider it a sin to waste time.

11:23 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Don't think of me as your tormentor, but as the accelerator towards a meaningful conversation. After all, I am actually promoting your channels.

11:25 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@SeekingGenuine Have you heard of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs as a natural process of asking for more and more rather like the Fisherman and His Wife?

11:27 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Chad's father will eventually call him back or pick up if he calls at regular intervals and leaves a message that he has called. Persistence pays off.

11:28 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Even if Chad's father never calls back, Chad will at least know that he tried his best.

11:29 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Anyone can in theory choose to have a relationship with God.

11:29 AM

@DianaRigger

​#1

​Cain envied Abel. Envy is hatred, sometimes murderous.

11:30 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​So many of the Commandments forbid envy. If we accept God is perfectly moral and knows everything, we would accept our lot without envy, hatred and rage.

11:32 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​The poor need not envy the rich and powerful if they knew that the rich would be subject to terrible temptations that would make them Hell-bound if unrepented.

11:33 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​The whole point of belief in the afterlife is to prevent the predictable envy of our inferiors.

11:33 AM

@YawnGod

​​I mean, the point is to be rich AND repent. You win/win. Lol? 🤔

11:33 AM

@YawnGod

​​The bigger the sin, the more valuable the repentance. ⏳

11:34 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Envy is the sin we are most ashamed to admit, particularly if we envy the object of our hatred - our enemy.

11:34 AM

@DianaRigger

​#1

​@ZuluScout Increasingly, I see the value of a vow of silence after so many years on YouTube.

11:35 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@YawnGod Do you believe in reincarnation?

11:35 AM

@YawnGod

​​@DianaRigger I believe in lots of crazy things.

11:36 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@YawnGod Do you know Ultra Orthodox Jews believe in reincarnation?

11:36 AM

@YawnGod

​​@DianaRigger I know they believe in Aliens 👽

11:36 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@SeekingGenuine I am enjoying this discussion.

11:37 AM

@SeekingGenuine

​​I'm glad, claire :)

11:38 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@YawnGod I don't know of any Jew who believes in aliens. Muslims call Allah Lord of the Worlds so if any aliens arrive, we know to deal with them with sharia.

11:44 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​I think Judaism is right about believing in reincarnation so they see successive lives as a video game of increasing difficulty till you get to your final destination.

11:44 AM

@anselman3156

​​Charity (love) is the priority. All things must be ordered to that.

11:45 AM

@dwellingmatters

​​Reliance, yes @Chad. I once saw a version which read: "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want…"

11:45 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@anselman3156 We should love truth, logic and morality because they are surival strategies.

11:45 AM

@dwellingmatters

​​So I see the meaning not as 'I shall not desire', but more like 'I shall not ultimately have need which the Lord does not look after, as I am led by Him."

11:45 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Even if God does not exist, thinking we have a relationship with God means we are talking to the better part of ourselves.

11:46 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@dwellingmatters "I should only desire what is righteous."

11:47 AM

@anselman3156

​​Divine Charity has taken people beyond concern for personal survival. That's what makes it the supernatural theological virtue

11:47 AM

@YawnGod

#2

​I know we know our problem is us. 🤔

11:49 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@YawnGod Judaism talks about the Evil Inclination.

11:49 AM

@YawnGod

​#2

​@DianaRigger Jews talk about a lot of stuff, that's true 🤔

11:51 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Judaism has many useful concepts.

11:51 AM

@YoavBressler

​​Written after 1:15 hour of Christians talking about stuff.

11:52 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​@ZuluScout Humanity has two divine revelations and gentiles just have to choose the one for them. So would Jews too if they believed in the afterlife.

11:52 AM

@anselman3156

​​We may remember that God promises to give heavenly reward to those who care more for pleasing him and loving our neighbour than for personal comfort. That's just rejoicing in goodness, not contractual

11:53 AM

@YoavBressler

​​Imperial Romanism

11:53 AM

@YawnGod

#2

​Pattern recognition can be a crutch, in the bad way 🤔

11:53 AM

@anselman3156

#3

​Constantine was a servant of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ

11:54 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​God if He exists blesses those who obey His laws.

11:55 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​We have no choice but to trust that things will turn out for the best as a survival strategy, provided we satisfy certain minimum conditions.

11:55 AM

@anselman3156

#3

​That is true, Diana. The thing is the obedience must be genuine, out of love for God and goodness

11:56 AM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Brett should want the desire to discover what God's laws are.

11:57 AM

@YawnGod

#2

​Make "ignorance is bliss" great again.

11:58 AM

@anselman3156

#3

​Don't be too critical of the sense of satisfaction in helping others

11:59 AM

@anselman3156

#3

​God would have us rejoice in our conforming to his love and charitable treatment of others

11:59 AM

@anselman3156

#2

​We should feel good in doing good

12:02 PM

@DianaRigger

#1

​Judgement should be exercised.

12:04 PM

@YawnGod

#3

​Laughing at funerals makes Jesus cry 😥

12:04 PM

@anselman3156

#2

​All we can achieve is by God's grace, but he does call us to be worthy. Combination of divine help and personal effort. Both and

12:07 PM

@anselman3156

#3

​God does teach us how to merit rewards by being faithful Christians

12:08 PM

@anselman3156

#3

​God's grace enables the Christian to merit rewards

12:08 PM

@DianaRigger

#1

​God doesn't need to trust us. He just gives us the rope we ask for which might be used for hanging us later.

12:09 PM

@DianaRigger

#1

​I don't know how much clearer God can be about forbidding idolatry. Does He have to stamp His foot or zap people or something?

12:09 PM

@anselman3156

#2

​There are so many exhortations from the Saviour and the Apostles to work to be worthy of meriting rewards

12:09 PM

@the.marylander

​​chicken pox is the mark of Cain

12:10 PM

@DianaRigger

​#1

​@ZuluScout Western imperialists can repent of Christian imperialism and promote Islamic imperialism instead ahahaa

12:11 PM

@DianaRigger

#1

​I have been going on and on and on about idolatry for years and years and years and years and no one can come up with an explanation for the Trinity that makes sense. It's nearly 2000 years now!!!

12:11 PM

@ZuluScout

​​amen, ameen, amun lol

12:11 PM

@jokercharactercard

​​Gonna keep some demons

12:11 PM

@anselman3156

#2

​We are invited as Christians to run the race to merit the highest rewards. It is a kind of earning, enabled by grace

12:12 PM

@MarcInTbilisi

​​we've got to the table slamming phase...

Talking to @AmIDriving on @alex_RCL_Epistemic_Culture about speaking truth to power

 

2:00  Job and background

6:00  Vocation

11:00  "Eastern tendencies"

Confucianism v Legalism

13:00  Democratic centralism

Washington's farewell speech

14:00  The principle of the thing 

Eternal and universal laws

15:00  Thirty Years War

16:00  Genghis Khan

17:00  Machiavelli

20:00  Ask a question if you don't agree or refute the claim.

21:00  Tim Blackmon

27:00  The law

28:00  Restoring the patriarchy

30:00  Abolishing no fault divorce

35:00  Christians don't take their religion seriously.

41:00  Who makes the rules and why

49:00  Who we are and being a pawn

52:00  US foreign policy under successive Presidents

53:00  Scott and his echo chamber mates

57:00  Foreign policy

1:02:00  Influence and manipulation

SCOTT: "It has to do with your heart."

1:05:00  America has no moral authority other than Congress. 

1:07:00  Thirty Years War

1:08:00  Genghis Khan

1:09:00  Pope

1:11:00  We are YouTubers.

1:12:00  Congress

1:13:00  Speaking the truth

1:14:00  Restoring the patriarchy

1:15:00  Judge Kavanaugh

Mark S

1:16:00  Time wasting discussions on Mark Parker asking if we are human.

1:21:00  Figuring shit out

Nervous breakdown

1:23:00  Scott has been sacked. 

1:24:00  Fixing broken things

1:25:00  The law

1:27:00  Smacked a wall

1:28:00  Nuclear Holocaust

1:29:00  Speaking truth to power

1:30:00  Nobody is prepared to discuss the nature and purpose of religion if God does not exist.

1:31:00  Our YouTube channel is a channel of communication, it is not our cosy corner in front of our fireplace. 

1:32:00  Scott has no business being in an echo chamber.

1:33:00  Russell Brand  and Cornell 7

A grenade in the ballroom

1:35:00  TLC

We are characters in a soap opera.

1:36:00  Roe v Wade

1:37:00  Ann Coulter

1:38:00  How can low status men afraid of rape allegations do their jobs  properly?

1:40:00  What is the nature and purpose of religion if God does not exist?

Why doesn't America have one?

1:40:00  Christianity

1:42:00  Time is of the essence

1:43:00  I am colonising, 

1:44:00  Who should we admit into our circles?

1:45:00  The evil inclination

1:46:00  Atheism

1:47:00  Representative democracy has failed. 

1:48:00  Tucker Carlson

1:49:00  Stand up for righteousness.

1:50:00  Manifesto

1:51:00  Narratives

Constantine the Great

1:52:00  PVK has not promised us anything. 

1:53:00  Jesus

1:54:00  Love, compassion, grace, kindness

Revelations and Acts

1:56:00  Transition periods

1:58:00  What Scott keeps trying to say

1:59:00  Pride

2:00:00  Christian doctrine

2:02:00  JD joins says he really enjoys me  and says my ideas are valid and worthy.

2:04:00  Organic fermentation

2:05:00  JD is waiting for me to say "love" in a non-mocking  tone. 

2:07:00  Always my song ...

2:09:00  Echo chamber mates

Transition

2:10:00  The Throne Room

2:14:00  Wetware

2:20:00  YouTube is a channel of communication, not our hearth and home.

2:21:00  Our moral system needs to be codified  or no one will know what its principles are.  

2:22:00  Posterity

2:23:00  Aztecs

2:24:00  Jesus

Book of Matthew

2:25:00  Ottoman Empire

2:26:00  Byzantine Empire

2:28:00  Delusional

2:29:00  Tyranny is something oppressive and stupid.

2:30:00  Cars

2:31:00  Stewardship and Trump on the polymarket

2:32:00  Russia, Ukraine, Iran, Israel and Gaza

2:37:00  Recurring pattern of behaviour

2:39:00  Theory of Mind

2:44:00  Machiavelli on Christianity

Niccolò Machiavelli’s view of Christianity is complex, critical, and a subject of ongoing debate among historians and philosophers. Rather than rejecting religion entirely, Machiavelli evaluated Christianity primarily through a political and institutional lens. [1, 2]

1. The Critique of Christian Virtue

In the Discourses on Livy, Machiavelli famously contrasted Christian ethics with the civic virtue of ancient Rome. [1]

The Weakening of State Spirit: He argued that traditional Christian values—such as humility, contemplation, forgiveness, and a focus on the afterlife—made men "effeminate" and passive regarding earthly glory. [1]
Preference for Strength: Ancient pagan religions deified worldly honor, strength, and active defense of the fatherland. Christianity, by contrast, glorified lowliness and endurance of injuries, which Machiavelli believed left nations vulnerable to ambitious, ruthless conquerors.

2. The Role of the Church and Papacy

In The Prince and his historical writings, Machiavelli sharply criticized the Roman Catholic Church as a political institution: [1, 2]

Temporal Interference: He blamed the Papacy for keeping Italy politically fragmented. Because the Popes were strong enough to prevent any single Italian power from uniting the peninsula, yet too weak to unify it themselves, Italy remained easy prey for foreign armies (such as France and Spain).
Corruption and Hypocrisy: He routinely mocked the moral corruption of the clergy and the contrast between the humility preached by the Church and the ruthless territorial ambitions of Renaissance pontiffs like Julius II. [1]

3. Religion as a Political Tool

Machiavelli viewed religion not as a system of absolute metaphysical truth, but as a vital instrument of social control and civic cohesion. [1, 2]

Just as ancient Roman commanders used auspices and civic religion to keep troops disciplined and citizens obedient, a healthy state required a shared sacred reverence. [1, 2]
In the analysis provided by the The Guardian, he observed how deeply embedded religious structures sustained church states, noting how ecclesiastical authority secured power regardless of the personal virtues or vices of its leaders. [1]

4. Alternative Scholarly Interpretations

While the traditional view sees Machiavelli as anti-Christian or pagan-leaning, modern scholars offer contrasting perspectives:

The Renewal of Christian Liberty: Thinkers like Maurizio Viroli (Machiavelli's God) argue that Machiavelli was not an atheist, but instead wanted a renewed Florentine republican Christianity—one centered on civic charity, justice, and active participation in the earthly city rather than passive monasticism. [1]
Mixed Forum Sentiments: Discussions on platforms like Reddit reflect mixed public opinions: many users view Machiavelli purely as a pragmatist who saw religion as a state-manipulation tool, while others argue that authentic faith operates independently of political utility. [1]

2:48:00  Alcohol in Nevada

2:49:00  Alex was a Buddhist. 

2:50:00  Alex veers between Catholicism and Protestantism.

2:51:00  I am strawmanned.

3:00:00   Cancel culture

3:01:00   Parental authority

3:03:00   Federal government and Creationism

3:05:00  Home schooling

3:07:00  Mad Max

3:08:00   Where Scott and I agree and disagree

3:12:00  Being righteous

Trust

3:13:00  "Follow Christ."

How can Christians organise themselves if they have no principled leader prepared to stand up for any principle?

1:01:00  Another death of a another 15 female soccer player. Is this God if He exists telling parents their daughters shouldn't be playing soccer?

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/15-old-girl-dies-collapsing-202134335.html

1:11:00  Did you notice a question being avoided, as usual?

1:13:00  I'll comment on a CRC pastor wearing ear-rings if no one will.

1:14:00  I'll also comment on this CRC pastor saying it is OK for his son to commit suicide. What is going on, Paul?

John Calvin categorically condemned suicide, viewing it primarily as an act of disobedience to God’s will and a usurpation of divine authority over life and death.  He argued that since God grants life, only God has the right to take it, making self-murder a refusal to submit to divine providence. 

1:22:00  Neal's bloviation was described as a "beautiful question". Gasbagging is a value in these circles.

Calvin supported this theological stance with two additional arguments: he deemed suicide unnatural, noting that even animals instinctively seek self-preservation, and he attributed the act to diabolical possession, where the devil suppresses the God-given instinct to live.  In his sermons on biblical figures like Saul and Ahithophel, he portrayed suicide not as a courageous escape but as a sinful addition to their existing transgressions. 

Although Calvin did not develop a detailed doctrine on the eternal fate of those who commit suicide in his Institutes, his followers generally held that a believer remains saved by grace despite this sin. However, Calvin rejected the argument that suicide benefits the state or avoids being a burden, insisting that Christians must endure suffering and disgrace as part of their faithful duty.

1:22:00  Neal's bloviation was described as a "beautiful question". Gasbagging is a value in these circles.

The goose of Christian beta males is cooked unless they find principled leadership, but how can they get principled leadership if Christianity has no codified principles?

 

5:00  The law should be based on the Noahide laws.

6:00  Government is the source of legislation.

7:00  Have you read George Washington's farewell speech?

8:00   Congress is the Supreme Moral Authority of America.

9:00  Unlike Jesus who was executed for blasphemy, Muhammad was a successful revolutionary in the Meccan Revolution. White Christomorons would rather worship a Jew while complaining about Jews though.

10:00  To be Christian is to worship a Jew while being an antisemite. How absurd is that?

13:00  Christians are allergic to using reason and intelligence to make rational decisions as a vampire is to holy water. 

14:00   Which Christian man do you know follows a man who is better than themselves? If all Christians who worship Jesus are guilty of a mortal sin and therefore Hell-bound, there is no need to measure the degree of their delusion. 

14:30  White people have no functioning moral system. Do you know what these words mean? 

15:00  Are the people who excluded you Christian? Were you excluded for your heresy or did you accuse them of it?

18:00  Beta males like you need principled alpha males to represent your interests. But white men do not have a functioning moral system.

20:00  Both divorce and illegitimacy are impoverishing. 

22:00  The problem for white beta males is that they do not have a principled alpha male leader. Those with any intelligence or charisma only pander to female voters of mediocre intelligence and low morals. 

23:00  So you thought you did well on explaining the Trinity to Khalid? Maybe you could pretend that you persuaded him if you had the power to burn him at the stake after abolishing the First Amendment and making yourself Catholic King of America. 

31:00  An Islamic Revolution

41:00  Judaism is less of a danger to Christians than their absurd, evil and moronic beliefs which they refuse to accept are antithetical to facts and logic. 

41:45  Why are you having such a hard time admitting that Christianity is kaput and should be  likened to food not fit for human consumption?

An explanation of my motives and objectives

 

52:00  CLAIRE  KHAW joins.

53:00  Communication and relationships

55:00  I am now more tolerant of people after political activism. 

56:00  People who pretend not to understand what you say or keep forgetting

57:00  Asking people nagging questions

58:00  Is Christo-Liberalism is kaput?

59:00  The consequences of not having a functioning moral system

1:00:00  Are Americans moral Christians?

1:01:00  Why Americans deny that Christianity is kaput

1:02:00  What you fear is already here. 

The American Civil War

1:03:00  An evil, stupid and immoral ruling class

1:05:00  Mercy or justice

1:07:00  A common moral system

1:09:00  I call Gavin not a serious person after he said he could in theory be US President in 2024.

1:10:00  I am asked to define Protestantism. 

1:11:00  Jacob arrives and removes me. 

1:16:00  I sabotage conversations, apparently.

1:18:00  My allegedly wild statements

1:20:00  Why should I be disbarred when I have never practised?

1:21:00  I am fearmongering, apparently. 

1:22:00  Nick Land

I am not expecting Islamophobes to like SK USA. I am just trying to get Islamophobes to come to terms with their Islamophobia. This will happen when they realise that nothing short of SK USA will solve their economic, political and social problems. 

3:34:00  CLAIRE KHAW rejoins to explain her political  career and the reason for the flag and gun photos.

Talking to @TheMuslimApologist about his book on the Malaysian Police Force

 

4:00  Jill Stein

These charges are an assault on our right to free speech, to protest & to call for an end to the slaughter of children. Shame on Washington U & St. Louis officials pursuing these charges that threaten us all. Sign the petition to drop the charges @ https://t.co/bLIdFM8k7P

— Dr. Jill Stein🌻 (@DrJillStein) November 7, 2026

 7:00  Arthur A Goldberg

13:00  

https://vlex.co.uk/vid/alison-chabloz-v-crown-839146578

Section 233 of the Communications and Multimedia Act 1998 criminalises the use of network facilities to make communications that are “obscene, indecent, false, menacing  “annoy.” Penalties were increased in 2024 from RM50,000 and one year’s imprisonment to RM500,000 and two years. Between January and September 2017 alone, 269 cases were investigated under the CMA, 146 of them under Section 233. In August 2025, the Court of Appeal ruled the words Articles 8 and 10 of the Federal Constitution. On 6 February 2026, the Federal Court reversed that part of the ruling and reinstated both words; the provision therefore stands in full force.

15:00  Tucker Carlson

16:00  Deep State

17:00  Figureheads

Gulf Kingdoms

18:00  Kashoggi

Death warrant

19:00  There were only four rightly guided Caliphs.

20:00  The Caliphate was dismantled in 1924. 

21:00  Praetorian Guard would assassinate Roman Emperors.

22:00  Americans believe in Jesus the way the Chinese believe in Chinese ancestor worship.

23:00  Atheist-agnostics

25:00  Identity card

26:00  Heretical Christians

Organised religion

27:00  The Trinity and the First Amendment

28:00  Rotating monarchy

33:00  Diocesan bishop

34:00  Holy Roman Empire

35:00  Avignon Papacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon_Papacy

37:00  Halloween

Uncontrolled mass immigration

38:00  Socialised healthcare

41:00  Gun rights

Amok

43:00  Switzerland

45:00  George Washington warned againt political parties.

46:00  Amok

47:00  Axe murderer

Space invaders

48:00  The Jefferson Koran

The Declaration of Independence

49:00  "Certain unalienable rights"

50:00  The book

"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"

16:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins.

18:00  Lawrence Fox

22:00  Calvin Robinson

49:00  Arthur A Goldberg

51:00  Elon Musk

52:00  Fountain of Comfort

56:00  Student loans

59:00  Debt slavery

1:00:00  Overseas students

1:04:00  Telling the truth

1:10:00  "Liar, liar, pants on fire!"