11:41 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
On the one hand, we want the protection of the group; on the other hand, we want to assert our individuality.
11:53 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Why shouldn't everything be rational and moral?
11:53 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Isn't it rational to be moral?
11:53 AM
@Eolson-helper
Yoav was explaining his interpretation of David and Basheba. Very interesting. But I was streaming your show in the side :)
11:53 AM
@teestrypzSOG
Who better to talk about mental health and faith than a bipolar Christian
11:54 AM
@βρεττς
He’s moving backwards. The people that like to talk to him seem to tell me lots
11:55 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Mark Parker has given up woo, which is marked sign of improvement, wouldn't you agree, @chrishoward8473?
11:56 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
If you just chase the woo, you are just asking to be tricked.
11:56 AM
@βρεττς
#3
I agree partially
11:57 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
Better to let the woo find you…
11:59 AM
@Eolson-helper
I love hearing your explanation, Chris. I find myself having similar thoughts.
12:00 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
It is ridiculous to base your worldview on a funny feeling you had 20 years ago as you were walking down Camden High Street, as Marc Jackson told us.
12:01 PM
@teestrypzSOG
Claire stfu
12:01 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Nathan steered that narrative off the tracks for his benefit
12:01 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
I disagree, not discussing post-partum was the elephant in the room.
12:02 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Oh, come on, guys. It was such a boring story. "I was Christian, had a baby and nearly lost my faith and now I got it back again, yay!" So many questions unasked.
12:03 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
I agree. What questions would you have wanted asked, Claire?
12:03 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
Not the boring part, though. 😊
12:03 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
I enjoy good mental health because I believe the premises I base my beliefs on are unfalsifiable, thanks to you Christians.
12:04 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
What questions, Claire?
12:04 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 If I were PVK, I would have asked Beckie what made you disbelieve in God after having your baby?" He never asked this question which was what drove Mark and me crazy.
12:04 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
The next logical question is what questions were unasked
12:05 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
I agree…that’s twice, Claire. 😊
12:05 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
The independent journalist would ask the logical next question.
12:05 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
If you just prayed harder, your post partum would go away?
12:06 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Neal and PVK have the habit of letting their guests ramble on content that content is being produced, but that does not a good conversation make.
12:06 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
I wanted to understand if/how “fundamentalist” her Christian beliefs were.
12:06 PM
@teestrypzSOG
Lmao why’s Neal catching strays
12:07 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 Mark was complaining that PVK never even asked if it was post partum depression and clearly wanted the listener to think it was some miracle of faith or something.
12:08 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
what triggered Chris was someone in TLC dare question the cult leader's toxicity and not tow the line of blind faith in the group identity of censored obedience
12:08 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 Anglicans really do not take their faith seriously. I have been introduced to enough of them who are almost embarrassed to be Anglican and openly wonder what it all means.
12:10 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
The values of TLC are Christian Fellowship. To maintain this, hard questions cannot be asked and the leader cannot be questioned.
12:10 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
in a cult, you can't question the cult guru
12:10 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
Oh I think if you don’t wonder, you are not taking it seriously.
12:11 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 It's a class thing in the UK - a badge of being middle class eg high church, low church, Methodist. In America you have blue church, red church, which is so crazy.
12:12 PM
@Eolson-helper
Claire I asked you about your trusting Tucker even though he is a trinitarian. But you say we are not to be trusted because we are trinitarians. You have not answered your illlogical double standard
12:12 PM
@βρεττς
Red Church Blue Church has primarily been over empathizing with you agnostics.
12:12 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 Yeah, I take it more seriously than Christians. I actually care which Christian denomination is "best" while you people are indifferent.
12:13 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
how dare MDP or Nathan question PVK's performance of profilicity
12:13 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
Yes, it can be a social status thing. More presidents were Episcopalian, or at least “mainline”
12:14 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Eolson-helper Tucker is the only an independent journalist allowed to operate at a high level, it seems. He actually said Episcopalians are weakest in belief.
12:14 PM
@Eolson-helper
Claire- you pick and chose your definitions - like making up definitions of matriarchy and patriarchy- which is a post modern mover…
12:14 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
PVK exploits randos all the time- eg Freddie and Paul show
12:14 PM
@Eolson-helper
And post modernism is not based on logic or rationality. Therefore your are not logical or rational
12:14 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
Eolson wins the debate point hands down, sorry to say.
12:14 PM
@Jzepp
A benefit that can be missed of a Rando is for the Rando to just tell their story. Articulating their story allows them to recognize the meaning in those events. They come to terms with what happened.
12:15 PM
@Eolson-helper
He is not the only independent one. He is the only one you are willing to grovel at his feet for.
12:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
PVK is about getting viewers and subscribers through promoting mediocrities, not the well-being of his flock.
12:15 PM
@Eolson-helper
Don’t worship at the feet of a trinitarian claire
12:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Eolson-helper What other independent journalists have you identified?
12:16 PM
@Jzepp
If PVK was seeking views his show would be totally different. That’s absurd.
12:16 PM
@Eolson-helper
A myriad. You just have to be willing to look. You are willing to look aren’t you?
12:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 What is the topic of the debate?
12:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Eolson-helper You can't even name one, can you?
12:17 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
all denominational clergy deferr to medical experts, hence why to be ordained they must be examined prior to chrism unction and oaths
12:17 PM
@Eolson-helper
You can’t explain your worship of a trinitarian, can you?
12:17 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Jzepp What would his show be like?
12:17 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
likewise, when I wad married in sacramental church, we had marriage counseling with psychologist per priest requirements
12:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Eolson-helper How is identifying Tucker as an independent journalist worship of Tucker?
12:19 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
The debate issue is “are Claire’s stated beliefs coherent”
12:19 PM
@Eolson-helper
Because you Claire him as a source of truth. And hold him to a double standard. He is a trinitarian isn’t he? You said the Koran says you can’t trust a trinitarian, does it not?…
12:19 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
The primary rule of Gestalt theory is that the whole is different from, or greater than, the sum of its parts.
12:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@stefaniecristos8514 What would you say are my stated beliefs?
12:19 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#2
It’s ok that they are not, actually I am glad for it. Love and hugs.
12:20 PM
@Eolson-helper
So the only explaintion is that you trust him more than the Koran. This worship is it not? Prove to me you don’t worship his statements.
12:21 PM
@Eolson-helper
Claire is just afraid to address my post modernism criticism.
12:21 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper Tucker is the only independent journalist I know, Trinitarian or not. You cannot think of another independent journalist which shows how interested you are in independent journalism.
12:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper Define postmodernism.
12:22 PM
@Eolson-helper
I’d earlier.
12:23 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
that's a difference between mainline denominations vs evangelical mega church cults
12:23 PM
@Eolson-helper
Independent journalist should not be above the Koran according to you. Therefore you value independent journalism more than your beliefs.
12:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@chrishoward8473 Rabbi Mizrachi says mental illness is caused by atheism ie rejection of God.
12:23 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper What has Tucker said that contradicts the Koran?
12:24 PM
@Eolson-helper
Claire’s afraid to admit she values an independent journalist high than the Koran, do you not?
12:24 PM
@Eolson-helper
He’s a trinitarian.
12:24 PM
@βρεττς
Scott’s nailing it now. No suffering no need for a savior.
12:24 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Yea Scott, you need to tears the muscle fibers the get stronger
12:24 PM
@Jzepp
#2
The value in suffering would be a great topic to discuss more deeply Scott.
12:25 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#3
I suffer from wanting to avoid suffering.
12:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper I have forgotten your bizarre definition of postmodernism.
12:25 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
prosperity gospel push personal revelation for health and wealth "miracles"
12:25 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#3
I agree, Zepp
12:25 PM
@βρεττς
PVK said it the best. I got an upgrade.
12:26 PM
@Eolson-helper
It is earlier in the chat. I detest having to double type because someone doesn’t have the ability to scroll up just so they can make a cheap debate point.
12:26 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper I don't tar all Trinitarians with the same brush. Some people are only nominally Trinitarian.
12:26 PM
@SeekingGenuine
#1
Our way of addressing mental health is to mitigate the symptoms and not get the to the crux of the issue
12:26 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
"dear lord, please increase the materialistic value of these baseball cards"
12:27 PM
@Eolson-helper
Claire, are you saying the Koran is wrong then? It doesn’t delineate with nominal trinitarians.
12:27 PM
@Jzepp
#2
One benefit of a proper Rando is that as the Rando tells their story, it allows them to understand the meaning in the suffering they experienced.
12:27 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper You should do a stream on postmodernism.
12:27 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
#3
A beautiful mind?
12:27 PM
@Jzepp
#2
That’s it Stef.
12:27 PM
@Eolson-helper
Not interested Claire. Thats your struggle.
12:28 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper Even a compulsive liar occasionally tells the truth. I don't think you are always wrong on everything.
12:28 PM
@YawnGod
I hallucinate that I'm always wrong...which means that I am always wrong? 🤔
12:28 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
psychologist doesn't prescribe medicine, psychiatrist do
12:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper You didn't define postmodernism here on this stream in the chat, did you?
12:29 PM
@Eolson-helper
Thanks Claire. The same can be said of you and Tucker :)
12:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper What is Tucker wrong about?
12:30 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
is that yawngod, or am I having an ayahuasca trip flashback? lol
12:30 PM
@βρεττς
We’re OK with the smart guy torturing himself for our benefit. Seems a little cruel to not tell him the truth.
12:31 PM
@YawnGod
Lying on the floor for a week with a broken hip is an excellent exercise for centering one's priorities.
12:33 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
We still haven't defined mental health! @chrishoward8473
12:34 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
In case anyone's interested, I have streamed about it.
12:35 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
There must be an objective measure of good and bad mental health more than just feeling unhappy about things!
12:35 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
"good cult leaders have blonde hair and blue eyes, is what they should look like" lol 😆
12:37 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
"Nordic myths good, Bantu myths bad" ~Bam Bam from tge Flintstones
12:37 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@VanWeasley-e8s Sigh! I am just trying to tell white people that Chritianity has failed them time and time again but they are refusing to see it.
12:38 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Idolatry is a logical fallacy.
12:38 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
Claire, logical coherence and moral consistency isn't the strong suit of European colonialists hahaha 😆
12:39 PM
@YawnGod
Are Gazan Christians abomination?
12:39 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@VanWeasley-e8s But they used to be so rational!
12:39 PM
@YawnGod
Are Lebanese and West Bank Christians abomination? I know what needs to be done with abominations, according to The Bible, of course 😉
12:40 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@YawnGod Gazans Christians or not could be expiating their ancestral sins.
12:40 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@YawnGod Reincarnation is an explanation for suffering.
12:41 PM
@YawnGod
@OfficialSecularKoranism Like...existing? It's your fault if you exist. I can see the solution 🪦
12:42 PM
@Jzepp
#3
If facts and logic, rationalism is the highest calling, what religion is that?
12:43 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
I always thought that’s what the hard core atheists believed in….
12:43 PM
@Jzepp
#3
I would argue that it was precisely the reliance on rationalism that lead to Eugenics.
12:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@YawnGod The idea of reincarnation is people in their next life have their just deserts ie if you've led a bad life you're going to be reincarnated as being in a worse position than your current life
12:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Jzepp Islam is absolutely logical.
12:44 PM
@YawnGod
@OfficialSecularKoranism I wonder who I was before...🤔
12:44 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Jzepp Marriage is eugenic.
12:44 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Claire’s buddy argued for eugenics on a recent live stream.
12:45 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
Social Darwinism created rationale to justify the bigotry of Religious Christian Black Codes and chattel slavery
12:45 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@YawnGod Are you enjoying life?
12:46 PM
@YawnGod
@OfficialSecularKoranism Relative to a land snail? 🐌 Yeah.
12:46 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
eg Curse of Ham doctrines became prevalent during Trans Atlantic Slave Trade
12:46 PM
@YawnGod
@OfficialSecularKoranism How can I enjoy life if you are sad 😥🤔
12:46 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@stefaniecristos8514 I suppose you mean Vincent Bruno my occasional streaming partner. He rejects patriarchy and his ideas about eugenics dispenses with marriage, which he cannot accept is unworkable.
12:46 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Van, what say you about the Christian abolitionists?
12:47 PM
@Jzepp
#3
Pure logic and reason leads to Eugenics. Why wouldn’t it?
12:47 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
Christian abolitionist reneged on their promises
12:47 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Jzepp Marriage is already eugenic.
12:47 PM
@YawnGod
@Jzepp Not wrong!
12:47 PM
@Jzepp
#3
How is marriage eugenic?
12:48 PM
@YawnGod
It gets really meta when you marry someone *specifically* so that they don't find a reproductive partner to reproduce with. That's meta. 🤔
12:49 PM
@stefaniecristos8514
Van, why did I know nothing positive would be said. Sad.
12:50 PM
@Smithistory
that's how you can recognize bad faith. Give the devil his due at least.
12:51 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Jzepp You don't see that you are more likely to be marriageable if your parents were married to each other than if they were never married to each other? Marriageability is a eugenic heritable trait.
12:51 PM
@VanWeasley-e8s
stef, if I were to treat the subject, I would be very nuanced, but a quick stream reply has to be short and sweet and to the point.. but im obviously appreciate abolitionist despite my disappointments
