Wednesday, 11 March 2026

On ancestral identity

 


10:37 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​I should like to do more research into the family tree. Got old Victorian photos, old certificates n stuff

10:38 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​Complexity is vulnerability. That is why machines with the fewest moving parts are considered to be most efficient.

10:39 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​How would it help if we knew our entire genealogy all the way back to Adam and Eve? It would only confuse us. Buddhists are told never to try to find out whom they might have been in a previous life.

10:40 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​We are the product of generations who contributed to who we are Secular

10:41 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​God made us a composite of spirit and body/soul which latter are derived from ancestry

10:41 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​PVK said he would be considered an alien to his Dutch and Jewish ancestors now speaking neither Dutch nor believing in Judaism.

10:41 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​I don't think even Irish Americans would be happy going to live in Ireland.

10:43 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​I suppose it is a mercy that most of us cannot go back beyond 3 or 4 generations or the knowledge would oppress us, if our ancestors were saints or outlaws.

10:44 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​I guess I am trying to say we should just have some basic idea of what we are supposed to be and then try to fit that into our current culture and society, which is hard enough already.

10:44 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​The sins of our ancestors can be forgiven. Their virtues have power

10:45 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​If our ancestors were Aztecs and we still think it is a good idea to practise human sacrifice, then we should be punished!

10:45 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​Most of us are not on our ancestral continent and there would be difficulties if we tried to go back there.

10:46 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​The problem of ancestral sin and deliverance from it is what Christianity addresses in its Adam/Christ contrast

10:47 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 If Christianity is idolatry, then the Christian section of hell would be quite a large section and still being expanded.

10:48 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​Christianity is worship of the true God

10:50 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​I believe in the life of the world to come we will become acquainted with our ancestors

10:50 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 If God is merciful, He would offer Christians the option of reincarnation. They may choose correctly the religion of their parents in their next life once they see God is not Jesus.

10:51 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
​#1
​@anselman3156 Heaven is by definition the best place imaginable. I like to think we would get answers to every question we ask.

10:51 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​Who/what is "God" for you Secular?

10:52 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​Agreed on all questions being answered

10:52 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 Only the Abrahamic God is worthy of consideration and discussion because He is the most powerful being conceivable.

10:53 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​The God of Abraham is incarnate in Jesus Christ. Abraham looked forward and saw his incarnation

10:53 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 The Abrahamic God is believed to be omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly moral, supreme and eternal.

10:54 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 The New Testament is not authority for your proposition.

10:54 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​Oh yes it is

10:54 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 We both know that the New Testament does not mention the Trinity.

10:55 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​There is collective and individual punishment.

10:56 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​I suspect that you have not really looked into the Christian doctrine of God

10:57 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​Family photos are a terrible decision, and there can be so many of them!

10:57 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​That would require you to have a real intention of getting to know God

10:58 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 Forsooth, I'm the probably the most knowledgeable theologian you'll ever come across!

10:58 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@anselman3156 I am familiar with the Classical Theory of the Abrahamic God.

10:58 AM
@anselman3156
​#3
​Oddsbodkins I'm impressed!

11:00 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​The Abrahamic Belief System is really a Complete Theory of Perfect Morality.

11:00 AM
@YawnGod
​​Isn't thinking that Eastern Europeans can't take care of their children a bit racist? I mean, adopt a black kid from the south, right? I think we know what this Eastern European "adoption" is about 🤔

11:01 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​@YawnGod White parents want their kids - adopted or not - to look like them. It might cause issues for children not the same race as their adopted parents.

11:02 AM
@YawnGod
​​I mean, according to Epstein the best models come from Eastern Europe, ya know? 💃

11:03 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​There is the idea that Eastern European women are more feminine than West European women and less likely to suffer from being a feminist. Less uppity, if you know what I mean.

11:04 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​The poorer that society, the more likely the females from that society to fit into patriarchal standards of obedience and femininity.

11:04 AM
@YawnGod
​​What if international adoption...was always a pawn ♟?

11:06 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
​British parents have to go abroad to adopt non-white children because they want to adopt infants, not damaged and abused white children abused by their unmarried mother and lover(s) for 7+ years.

11:06 AM
@YawnGod
​​Sounds like selling a child for money!

11:07 AM
@anselman3156
​#3
​We should think on the matter of adoption into divine sonship in Christ

11:08 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​The Christian is human adopted into divinity

11:14 AM
@anselman3156
#3
​There is a Biblical principle of honour thy father and mother, and turn the hearts to the fathers

11:16 AM
@anselman3156
​#3
​I can still walk the hills and lochs of my ancestors

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34:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to discuss adoption.
36:00  The family home as a stable base.
38:00  Less focus on ancestral identity, more focus on present politics.
Id, Ego and Superego
39:00  Genetics
42:00  Roots by Alex Haley
43:00  ADOS
45:00  Civic nationalism under imperialism
46:00  Empire: language, transport and communication
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Tuesday, 10 March 2026

Why Catholicism can never be part of Christian nationalism


Catholicism was imperial and universal. 

Can an imperial religion be nationalistic?

2:00  An imperial nation must be civic nationalist. 

3:00  There is no Han supremacy in China.

4:00  Race cannot be your religion.

5:00  Christianity has failed Christians countless times.

Christianity is a very hard to believe religion. 

6:00  Michael Servetus and William Tyndale

Christianity is the religion of the global hegemon who pretend to be meek and mild while killing the leaders of countries they want to take over. 

7:00  Which Church won the Wars of the Reformation?

8:00  Church-hopping

10:00  New church, old church, big church, small church, blue church, red church.

11:00  Megachurch

12:00  America is an imperial nation and want to use Catholicism as their imperial religion. 

15:00  White Nationalists are now Christian Nationalists. 

16:00  America controlling the Vatican

Sedevacantism

17:00  GAFCON

18:00  Secular Koranism

21:00  The Church and Monarchy are now both obsolete.

23:00  America cannot possibly become a Catholic monarchy. 

24:00  Christian historian

25:00  The First Seven Ecumenical Councils

26:00  Americans should become Unitarians and adopt the religion of their Founding Fathers.

27:00  US constitutional historian

28:00  Islamic roots of the American Republic

Secular Koranism is not supranational unless you want it to be. 

30:00  Only two Catholic kings left  in Europe.
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Islamic and Secular Common Religion in Evaluating Where to Live

 

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Can Mystical Religion and Liberal Democracy Coexist? Tom Holland, Nick Cave, Islam

12:00  CLAIRE KHAW mentioned.

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I am accused of wanting to take the "woo" out of religion


7:00  and 9:00  It happened at https://www.youtube.com/live/C8_kusqpbQU?si=7WmTUF6CfpY42hp1where you can read my explanation of why SK is for the Westerners who want to solve their political problems and not for Muslims who will want to interpret their Koran in their own way.

Living anywhere not in the West would tend to take away any authority or relevance of my proposed solution attracting comments like "But you don't even live in the West!" 

SK is not about where I want to live but a legal solution that would solve the economic, social and political problems of the West. 

Jacob is one of those crazy Iranians who want America to bomb their country, and he is also a proud Islamophobe. He does so presumably to reinforce his view that he and his parents did the right thing in leaving Iran. He even admitted that he dropped out of law school because he lacked the ability to be impartial. One of the rules of natural justice is to allow the other side to be heard and not be deliberately misrepresenting their arguments and ideas.

10:00  I know some people need to to warm the engine of their brains up by monologuing before they get to their point, before they "land their plane". But why not just decide whether or not to contribute on the basis of whether one has something relevant to say on the matter?

I noticed years ago when I attended public lectures in prestigious tertiary institutions that during Q&A, the younger people who were supposed to be asking questions just could not ask their question in one sentence and rambled on interminably. Taking the mic away from them would be humiliating, but letting them ramble on was also infuriating. 
 
This is a terrible social and psychological phenomenon attesting to the fragmentation and disintegration of the Western mind! 

Luke's guests are just mirroring him as they queue up to take their turn at monologuing after he has done it for an hour! He is encouraging that bad behaviour about thinking aloud, not finishing his sentences or even trying to stick to the topic as his eyes dart around his room like a madman in a mental institution seeking escape from his cell. 

YouTube has helpfully given us 100 characters for us to type in what we might like to discuss. If we forget what we were supposed to be talking about, we can always look at the title.

In your case, you are genuinely offering hospitality and conversation. In the case  of Luke, he is just saying "You peasants have to listen to me for an hour before I will let you join my nursery to take turns with your show and tell."

I have attempted to draw out from him what his idea that is something to do with the initiation he is always talking about, but he does not want to define his terms, making me suspect that his idea is rather like a defective infant that he would rather protect from the critical stare of the world. If we really believed our ideas would work, we would be touting it from door to door and welcoming criticisms, questions and comments which is better than non-engagement. 

Because his viewers and subscribers are only interested in waiting for Luke to stop talking and for their turn to speak, his big idea - whatever it is - is never  discussed.

10:30  I certainly don't expect people to be correct or agree with me, but they should at least make sense in what they are saying when they disagree or even insult me, and who knows what Luke is trying to say for his hour long monologues? It is clearly a sign of emotional overflow. He obviously needs to be listened to. If no one knows what he is talking about, does it mean we are stupid because we can never comprehend his deep philosophical truth, or is it because it just doesn't make sense? In fact, Chad makes more sense than him! 

I particularly objected to being accused of filibustering since that is what I am pretty sure I never do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z50LDnrnlq4 features Chris's conversation with Olson about church on Vanderklips. There you will read a mysterious comment by Luke that goes: 'Lot there. What initiation & rituals are most effective at shaping human beings and what is their relationship to time? The liturgy of “preaching the word” and having ideas and spoken truth as formational versus the liturgies of more ancient traditions?'

It's not even grammatical!

17:00  What I expect people to do is understand the nature of their predicament. If you are agreed that your ruling classes are corrupt and incompetent, why are they corrupt and incompetent? These are all economic, moral, political and social problems caused by the incorrect conception of the role of religion and the lack of a functioning moral system. The Founding Fathers appear to be contradicting themselves about their position on religion. I would have thought it is now time to discuss what they are and how it can be resolved. I think I have the answer. All I have been hoping for is from Americans is that they ask the obvious next question.

18:00  It's Jacob's way of saying Muslims should shut up and/or move out of the West. But even if I did -  not that I am Muslim - you would still have the problem of having your corrupt and incompetent ruling classes and America would still be starting WW3 and be behaving like the global bully starting neocon wars all over the place which it seems most Americans do not want. 

19:00  But religion is politics! All the same buttons are pushed in us when we discuss either politics or religion. The point is that our own beliefs and opinions are sacred to us whether we are atheists or theists. Therefore there needs to be a supreme authority in our group to settle controversial questions. Continuing to sweep these issues under the carpet is not a sustainable solution. America is infamous for not having an official moral system. 

We already know that the Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury in practice submit to the liberal order, but what does the liberal order submit to? The most powerful representative of the liberal order is the US whose President has no moral principles he would like to declare whose country is infamous for not having an official moral system and assassinating and kidnapping the leaders of countries who do not obey the orders of Washington. 

In Iran they would refer to the Koran, in China they would refer to Marx's books and the books their leaders have written on their interpretation of Marxism, but what does any representative democracy have other than to submit to the world's number one superpower who behaves like the Wolf in Aesop's fable of The Wolf and the Lamb? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolf_and_the_Lamb

19:15  I really do not know why you think it is part of my programme to remove the "woo" from anyone's religion! You guys carry on going to your usual place of religious worship while the laws are changed by Congress and do your woo thing as much as you like. At no time did I propose to close down any places of religious worship! 

20:00  Mussolini was a kingdom with a monarch supported by the Catholic Church. Italy only became a republic in 1946 after WW2. It was he who negotiated the Lateran Treaty with the Pope in 1929. I would be interested to know which parts of the Lateran Treaty can be divided into the religious and political.

21:00  Luke should have let Jacob and I have it out, but he always feels he has to end exchanges when they get heated instead of letting them take their natural course.

41:00  Ron Copperman compliments Chris on his conversations with me! 
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How Christianity became a social club after its Atlantic Crossing


How Christianity became a social club
1:00  Nicholas II sought asylum in Britain from George V during the Russian Revolution
2:00  The institution of monarchy was already compromised in 1918.
3:00  The end of Christendom
4:00  The Second Spanish Republic
6:00  Europeans had more established forms of Christian oppression.
7:00  The church as a social club
9:00  Social club or moral police?
11:00  Taking religious principles seriously
12:00  Culture war
13:00  Divine  narrative
Penitence
Taking theology seriously again
14:00   The blame game

15:00  MIKE MALZAHN joins.
Eyebrows and pubes
16:00  FGM and other cruel practices
18:00  Sex toys
Closing down sex shops and banning porn
19:00  Male sex toys
20:00  Sex dolls
The Stepford Wives
21:00  Our spouses and ourselves
A long marriage
22:00  Family stories
Divorce impoverishes
23:00  American wives  have deprived their husbands of their First Amendment rights.
24:00  Female voters
25:00  The Gilded Age 1880s

26:00  Women withdrawing from the dining room after dinner leaving the men to their brandy, cigars, politics and locker room talk

27:00  Golf clubs
28:00  Wives who divorce their husbands for voting for Trump have given American husbands a cause of action in regaining their First  Amendment rights

29:00  Class action of divorced husbands declaring that their wives have deprived them of their First Amendment rights requiring the remedy of the abolition of no fault divorce

30:00  Atheists hiring churches to host their community meetings
31:00  The Founding Fathers were heretical Christians ie proto-Muslim Noahides.
32:00  Deist and Theist
33:00  George Washington
Abigail Adams
33:00  Thomas Jefferson
34:00  Life, Liberty and Happiness
35:00  Americans should pursue justice to make themselves happier. 
36:00  Unitarians are considered by Trinitarians to be heretics.
37:00  Barbary pirates
38:00  US Declaration of Independence
39:00  Liberty is a tree watered by the blood of men.
The American and French way of counting republics
40:00  Amendments
43:00  Canadians, rum-runners, cocktails and the Whisky Rebellion
45:00  The greatest theologian in  the world
46:00  The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell
48:00  The Unitarian beliefs of the Founding Fathers
49:00  Slavery
50:00  Chain gangs
51:00  Electric chair
53:00  Labour relations and gender relations
54:00  Roman Empire
55:00  Machiavelli on mercenaries
Donald Rumsfeld and Blackwater
56:00  Cotton
57:00  Cotton gin
58:00  Real McCoy
59:00  Oil from Trinidad and Tobago
1:00:00  Lake of Tar
1:01:00  US biggest producers of cotton in the world
1:02:00  US-Iran War
1:03:00  Price of gas
Railroads
1:04:00  Canals
1:05:00  Farid Zakaria
Navigable rivers
1:06:00  Thomas Sowell
Canals
1:07:00  Mason-Dixon Line
1:09:00  Robert E Lee
1:10:00  The American Civil War
"The War of Northern Aggression"
1:12:00  Grits is like polenta
1:13:00  My Cousin Vinny
1:14:00  Porridge oats
1:15:00  Pork rinds/scratchings
1:15:00  Chitlins/tripe
1:17:00  Tijuana
1:18:00  San Diego
1:19:00  The Mission
1:20:00  Half-Way Covenant
1:23:00  Calvinist
Absolution
1:24:00  Kol Nidre
1:25:00  Confession
1:27:00  Marriage contract
1:28:00  Deed of Variation
1:29:00  Once a week
1:31:00  Rolling over
1:32:00  Unitarians > Trinitarians
1:33:00  Paul Williams and Jordan M
1:34:00  The Canaanite Woman
1:37:00  BNP/Muslim debate
1:40:00  "Based" on truth and logic
1:41:00  I mix in the circles of social circles of word salad.
1:43:00  Satan
1:44:00  Constantine
1:46:00  The role of Satan is to tempt humans as the Lord's Prayer suggests. Satan is the agent provocateur and Prosecuting Counsel of God. 

God allowed Satan to test Job.

1:47:00  Predestination and free will
1:48:00  Why is the US government promoting belief in God such a bizarre idea to Americans who are  already known for calling themselves "One Nation Under God" whose dollar bills say "In God We Trust"?

1:49:00  Trump's morality
Mike is a Republican and against the US-Iran War. 
1:51:00  International law
1:52:00  We need a multipolar world for the enforcement of 
international law.
1:54:00  European political leadership is a vacuum. 

1:55:00  My proposed European declaration of leaving NATO and ending liberal democracy and establishing an Islamic European Union

1:56:00  Europeans who support the policies of Sodom and Gomorrah against Europeans who reject them
1:58:00  America has stuff to do and it ain't war.
Roads are different in Florida and Philly.
1:59:00  Crumbling  America and dams
2:01:00  90,000 dams in the US
Penny for Pinellas
Sales tax in Florida
2:04:00  War Powers Act

2:06:00  In his 1796 Farewell Address, George Washington warned that "overgrown military establishments" are "inauspicious to liberty" and particularly hostile to Republican liberty. He urged the nation to avoid them, arguing that a united country could prevent the need for such large standing armies. 

2:07:00  Neocon White House Virus attacking the brains of success US Presidents
2:08:00  Gaddafi
2:09:00  Assassination of Roman Emperors by the Praetorian Guard
Homeland
Independence Day
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Monday, 9 March 2026

People who aspire to be intellectuals without the right educational background




1:00  People who aspire to be intellectuals who do not have the right educational background

2:00  The medium is the message.

3:00  Speaking and writing

4:00  Why I care

5:00  Househusbands

6:00  The medium is the message. 

Political pamphlet

7:00  Verbal analysis

8:00  Neurosis and insecurity

9:00  More than just a housewife or househusband

10:00  Manhours wasted

Choosing the title

11:00  Not asking the obvious next question

13:00  Agreeing terms

14:00  Show and tell

Group therapy

16:00  Narcissistic

17:00  Quality of Western men

Social retards

18:00  The Average Joe

Jews and Muslims

20:00  A microcosm of American manhood.
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On ancestral identity

  10:37 AM @anselman3156 #3 ​I should like to do more research into the family tree. Got old Victorian photos, old certificates n stuff 10:3...