11:50 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Hamlet: "There is nothing good or bad. Only thinking makes it so."
11:51 AM
@βρεττς
#1
If so “to be or not to be” truly does become the question.
11:52 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@βρεττς Suicide is forbidden in the Koran.
11:52 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Jordan Peterson was the first sign of facts and logic being outlawed by the matriarchy.
11:53 AM
@βρεττς
#2
Just playing the tape to the end with that philosophy. The danger of elevating the self having so much “power” of “control”
11:55 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Jordan Peterson has had to abdicate due to illness as the elder for Protestant social conservatism and promoter of facts and logic. Who will be leader for solving problems with facts and logic?
11:55 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Jordan Peterson represents boomer social conservatism, but it seems he is not up to the job.
11:56 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Cultural Christianity is a euphemism for atheism.
11:56 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Jordan Peterson did not have the courage of his convictions to support Christianity or even say he believed in God.
11:57 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Why qualify your Christianity with calling it cultural? It only means your culture is Christian without necessarily believing in God.
11:57 AM
@βρεττς
#2
I don’t need a leader or a hierarchy in the horizontal. The vertical gives power to who he gives power for our horizontal space.
11:57 AM
@teestrypzSOG
Claire does not have the conviction to become a muslim or even to say she believes in God
11:58 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
What does it mean to be Christian? Christians dare not discuss this because they know even talking about Christian identity is a social taboo, let alone theology.
11:58 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@teestrypzSOG Even atheists see the point of religion, don't they?
11:58 AM
@teestrypzSOG
go to church Woman
11:58 AM
@βρεττς
#2
From a utilitarian way
11:59 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Christians are already categorised as believing Christians and cultural Christians.
11:59 AM
@alohm
Northrop Frye Worte a two volume work The Bible Code, showing that our very archetypes of knowing is Christian here in the West.
12:00 PM
@alohm
Wrote even. I believe that most cultures do believe God to be the Ultimate, but they may not call it God, but Ishwara or Brahman?
12:00 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Atheists always say "Religion is mind control." Isn't that what religion is? Believing in God is allowing The Supreme Thought Policeman into your mind.
12:01 PM
@βρεττς
#2
Nobody truly in the heart can deny God. It’s just an expression of
12:01 PM
@βρεττς
#2
Anger in the autonomy
12:01 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@alohm What people call the Abrahamic God is irrelevant. If they don't believe in the afterlife where good will be rewarded and evil punished, they might as well not bother pretending to believe.
12:03 PM
@βρεττς
#2
It’s about HIS glory not our reward
12:03 PM
@teestrypzSOG
not sharing
12:03 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@βρεττς WHAT is about God's glory?
12:03 PM
@βρεττς
#2
But HE does and up punishing evil
12:03 PM
@Eolson-helper
#3
Claire - didnt you say you don’t believe in an afterlife?
12:04 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Eolson-helper I am agnostic.
12:04 PM
@βρεττς
#2
I’m here to glorify God and know HIM. That is my purpose
12:05 PM
@Eolson-helper
#3
Not as a gotcha question but trying to understand your position: as agnostic, so you believe in an afterlife?
12:05 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
"Christian larper"?
12:05 PM
@alohm
Surah 4:125 in the Quran : Any believer in the Abrahamic God...
12:05 PM
@βρεττς
#3
For HIS glory
12:05 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
"Fake Christian"?
12:05 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
"Hypocrite"?
12:05 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Difference of what you think a question is that’s all
12:06 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς I have no idea what you are trying to say to me with your broken sentences.
12:06 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Scripture alone Grace aloneFaith aloneChrist aloneGlory of God alone
12:07 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I’m not a great writer. And I’m ok with that. I’m imperfect
12:07 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I’m sorry it’s not intelligible
12:07 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
I am not sure why Chris is disagreeing with me about there being a qualitative difference between being a believing Christian and a Cultural Christian.
12:08 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς I think you are just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me.
12:08 PM
@teestrypzSOG
great marketing
12:08 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Cultural Christianity is a utilitarian
12:09 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I’m offering pushback and not hearing what I’m saying. Which is fine.
12:09 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς Obviously, true believers should be higher status than virtue signalling hypocrites. The Koran says hypocrites are Hell-bound.
12:10 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς Surely you agree that in any belief system, the true believer should be higher status than the hypocrite who only pretends to believe?
12:10 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I don’t think I’m higher status for being a believer. You should hear my conversation with Tayo
12:10 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Right T?
12:10 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς What were you discussing with Tayo?
12:11 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς So you would be OK with a Calvinist pastor who does not believe in God?
12:11 PM
@βρεττς
#3
@TheA-Flock-AlypseNow
12:11 PM
@teestrypzSOG
lol you're talking to a wall Brett, she's not listening
12:11 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@teestrypzSOG I am actually trying to get @βρεττς to explain himself, but it seems he cannot.
12:12 PM
@βρεττς
#3
And that’s fine
12:13 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
I didn't coin the term "true believer". I am surprised Chris disagreed with me about being Bart Ehrman being Cultural Christian and atheist Christian after spending so much time talking about him.
12:13 PM
@teestrypzSOG
no you're trying to get him to confirm your simulacra of what a christian is
12:14 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς I think the problem is that you have no coherent arguments against my arguments but still want to win the argument. What are we arguing about anyway?
12:15 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I don’t wanna win an argument, but I would love for Christ to change your heart. And it would be his doing not anything I convince you of.
12:15 PM
@βρεττς
#3
How? You ask. Try testing him with prayer in sincerity.
12:15 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@teestrypzSOG I am saying a confirmed Christian is higher status than Cultural Christian as far as Christianity is concerned. Most Westerners are not believing Christians.
12:16 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς Change my heart from what into what?
12:16 PM
@βρεττς
#3
A heart of stone into a heart of flesh
12:17 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς How am I being hard-hearted? I am showing care and concern for Americans and their failing political system caused by them ignoring the farewell speech of George Washington.
12:18 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
The problem is that Westerners don't seem to think that they need an OFFICIAL MORAL SYSTEM, or just lack the ability or interest to discuss abstract ideas.
12:19 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς You're a graduate, aren't you?
12:19 PM
@βρεττς
#3
“And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.”Ezekiel 36:26 ESV
12:20 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς Are you calling anyone who is not Christian someone with a heart of stone?
12:22 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς Ezekiel is from the Old Testament. This means Jews do not agree with the Christian interpretation of their scripture.
12:23 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Are you actually was. They believe in the Messiah and what was said.
12:24 PM
@βρεττς
#3
Just not who he was
12:24 PM
@βρεττς
#3
And still is
12:24 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς Jews, Christians and Muslims expect the Messiah to come in the End Times. Why argue about something that has not yet happened?
12:25 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς Christians accept the Ten Commandments forbidding idolatry and blasphemy amongst other things. Christians never care that Jews and Muslims think worshiping a man is idolatry, for some reason.
12:25 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I’m talking about him coming into creation as a man. The first coming not the second coming
12:26 PM
@βρεττς
#3
I probably should specify the truly man truly God fact as well
12:26 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@βρεττς None of that matters. The most important thing for Christians believing in the afterlife is whether Christianity is idolatry.
12:27 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@βρεττς There is no authority for the proposition of the Trinity in the New Testament which does not even mention it.
12:27 PM
@βρεττς
No, it’s not. And you’re framing is tiring.
12:27 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@βρεττς Would you agree that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
12:28 PM
@βρεττς
No, I wouldn’t. Sometimes the extraordinary just is. The idea that something so magnificent can create all things and I can know everything through factual human understanding is crazy to me.
12:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@βρεττς I just cannot understand why Christians who claim to believe in God and the afterlife are indifferent to the possibility that the Trinity could be idolatry and a mortal sin.
12:29 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@βρεττς Would you agree that the Abrahamic is logical?
12:31 PM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@chrishoward8473 The best boxer would be the one who wins without breaking the rules.
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1:02:00 CLAIRE KHAW joins to discuss who is a good robber is a competent robber.
1:04:00 Robin Hood
The Whiskey Bandit
1:08:00 Objective criteria
True believer > Cultural Christian > Christian Atheist
Olson makes me bang my desk by his dumb question: "Why do we need to resolve anything?"
1:14:00 Successful robbers < their victims?
1:17:00 Rules and being on the right side of them
1:19:00 Competence
1:20:00 To whom or what are you loyal?
1:21:00 Properly understood, sharia is just the law of God. If we believe in God, why wouldn't we obey His laws especially if He supports the First Amendment with quran.com/2/256? If His laws are not contained in the Koran, where are they contained? If it is thought God's laws are also contained in the Torah, may I remind Jews, Christians and Muslims that the Torah has 36 capital offences while the Koran supports the First Amendment with quran.com/2/256?
1:22:00 Rational argument > irrational argument
1:23:00 Love thy neighbour
1:24:00 "It would be nice to have an Archbishop of Canterbury who actually believes in God, for a change."
1:25:00 What if the Pope said He didn't believe in God?
1:26:00 Gravy train
1:31:00 Bart Ehrman is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
I was only trying to make the point that if Christians were being rational, they would consider Christians who believe in Christianity to be better than people who claim to be Christians and then qualify their Christianity by saying they are a "Christian atheist", like Bart Ehrman.
In my view, if you believe in successful Christianity, you would have to worship the Trinity because Trinitarian churches are the more powerful than non-Trinitarian churches eg Unitarian Christianity, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses.
A confirmed Christian would be higher status than a cultural Christian though I accept that there could be confirmed Christians who go through the motions of being Christian but who are still not believing Christians.
If Catholics have a Pope and Anglicans have an Archbishop of Canterbury that are secretly or openly atheists, then Christianity would acquire the reputation of not being a religion taken seriously even by people who claim to be Christian. If Christians tolerate a Pope or Archbishop of Canterbury who does not even believe in God, then this suggests that the majority of Christians do not in fact believe in Christianity either, if they are prepared to tolerate being led by leaders who do not even subscribe to the belief system of Christianity.
