Wednesday, 16 July 2025

An analysis of discussion between E Michael Jones and Candace Owens



2:00  EMJ is using Jews to get back at Protestants. 

3:00  Sola scriptura

4:00  Hegelian dialectical and historical materialism

5:00  Beneficiaries and victims of the third Western global empire

6:00  The Reformation was inevitable. 

8:00  Even European kings found  the Catholic Church oppressive. 

Comparing the severity of torture under the Catholic and Anglican Churches in England is complex, as it depends on the historical period, specific policies, and political contexts. Both institutions, at different times, were complicit in or directly responsible for acts of torture, particularly during periods of religious conflict. Below is a concise analysis based on historical evidence, focusing on England and the broader context of religious persecution.

### Catholic Church in England
- **Marian Persecutions (1553–1558)**: Under Queen Mary I, a Catholic monarch, the Catholic Church in England pursued the restoration of Catholicism, leading to the persecution of Protestants. Around 280 Protestants were executed, primarily by burning at the stake, as documented in *Foxe’s Book of Martyrs*. Burning was a standard punishment for heresy, intended as both punishment and a public deterrent. While burning caused extreme suffering, it was a form of execution rather than prolonged torture for extracting confessions. However, imprisonment, interrogation, and psychological pressure were used, and conditions in prisons like the Tower of London could be torturous.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_Kingdom
- **Inquisition Influence**: The Catholic Church’s broader history of torture, particularly through the Inquisition (notably in Spain but less so in England), involved methods like the rack, strappado, and waterboarding to extract confessions of heresy. In England, these methods were less systematically applied during Mary’s reign, as the focus was on execution over prolonged interrogation. However, the Catholic Church’s sanctioning of torture elsewhere (e.g., Pope Innocent IV’s 1252 bull *Ad extirpanda*) indicates a historical acceptance of torture under certain conditions, which contrasted with earlier condemnations like Pope Nicholas I’s 866 stance against judicial torture. 
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7390)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_torture
- **Scope and Scale**: The Marian persecutions were intense but brief, limited to Mary’s five-year reign. The number of victims was significant but smaller compared to later Anglican-led persecutions of Catholics over longer periods.

### Anglican Church in England
- **Elizabethan Persecutions (1558–1603)**: After Elizabeth I re-established the Church of England, Catholics faced severe persecution for refusing to conform to Anglicanism (recusancy). The Recusancy Acts and other laws imposed fines, imprisonment, and execution for treason, particularly targeting Catholic priests and Jesuits. Torture was used to extract confessions or information about Catholic plots (e.g., the Gunpowder Plot of 1605). Methods included the rack, manacles, and the “scavenger’s daughter” in places like the Tower of London. Priests like Edmund Campion were tortured and executed, with many later canonized as martyrs by the Catholic Church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_Kingdom
- **Penal Laws and Anti-Catholicism**: Following the Glorious Revolution (1688), the Penal Laws in England and Ireland institutionalized anti-Catholic discrimination, leading to executions and torture of Catholics, especially in Ireland (e.g., Saint Oliver Plunkett). While these were state-driven, the Anglican Church, as the established church, supported or acquiesced to these measures. Torture was often used to suppress Catholic resistance and enforce Anglican dominance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_Kingdom
- **Longer Duration**: Anglican-led persecution of Catholics spanned a longer period (late 16th to early 19th centuries), with varying intensity. The use of torture was more sporadic but tied to political threats (e.g., Jesuit missions, Jacobite rebellions). The scale of executions and torture was significant, especially when including Ireland, where Catholic clergy and laity faced brutal treatment.

### Comparison
- **Severity of Methods**: Both churches endorsed or tolerated severe methods depending on the context. Catholic persecutions under Mary focused on burning, which was quick but excruciating, while Anglican persecutions under Elizabeth and later monarchs used prolonged torture (e.g., the rack) to extract information, often followed by execution methods like hanging, drawing, and quartering. The latter could be seen as more torturous due to its prolonged nature and psychological torment.
- **Scale and Duration**: Anglican-led torture affected more people over a longer period, particularly in Ireland, where the Penal Laws led to widespread suffering. The Catholic Church’s persecutions in England were concentrated in Mary’s short reign, with fewer documented cases of torture compared to executions.
- **Institutional Role**: The Catholic Church historically institutionalized torture through the Inquisition (though less in England), while the Anglican Church’s use of torture was often state-driven, with the church’s complicity or tacit approval. Both churches justified their actions as necessary to combat heresy or treason, reflecting the era’s conflation of religious and political loyalty.
- **Moral Evolution**: The Catholic Church condemned torture earlier (e.g., Pope Pius VII’s 1816 bull against it) and has since explicitly rejected it in modern teachings (e.g., *Catechism of the Catholic Church*, 1992). The Anglican Church, lacking a centralized magisterium, has not issued comparable doctrinal statements but has distanced itself from historical persecutions.

### Conclusion
Neither church’s actions can be deemed “worse” in a simple sense, as both were responsible for horrific acts of torture and execution driven by religious and political motives. The Catholic Church’s persecutions under Mary were intense but brief, focusing on execution by burning. The Anglican Church’s persecutions were longer-lasting, with torture often used for interrogation, particularly targeting Catholics perceived as threats. The choice of “worse” depends on whether one prioritizes the concentrated brutality of Mary’s reign or the prolonged, systematic oppression under Anglican dominance. Both reflect a dark period of religious intolerance, with the Anglican Church’s longer timeline and political motivations arguably leading to a broader impact, especially in Ireland. For a deeper understanding, primary sources like *Foxe’s Book of Martyrs* for Protestant perspectives or Catholic hagiographies (e.g., lives of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales) offer detailed accounts of the suffering on both sides.

10:00  WASP supremacy

Is regicide satanic?

11:00  Sola scriptura

12:00  Doctrine of the Papal Infallibility

Kulturkampf

13:00  Christendom ended in 1918. 

14:00  Francisco Franco

16:00  Whig history applies to the three Abrahamic religions.

18:00  Abolition of European monarchies

19:00  Regicide is necessarily satanic?

20:00  Mandate of Heaven

23:00  Protestant work ethic extinguished by the welfare state because of the banning of slavery

25:00  Slavery made America great.

27:00  Lack of Hollywood censorship

28:00  Marquis de Sade

29:00  Psychologists

30:00  Confession

Absolution

31:00  4 stages of repentance

32:00  The Tragedy of Oedipus Rex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_Rex

33:00  Lineage

34:00  Definition of antisemitism

35:00  Reverse psychology

37:00  Jewish privilege

Dennis Prager

38:00  Licensed brothels in red-light districts

39:00  Culture of casual sex

40:00  Married mother or prostitute?

41:00  Men must never get for free.

42:00  Lauren Southern

43:00  Epstein List

44:00  Slavery is an institution like marriage and prostitution. 

45:00  Workfare

46:00  Zionism is more sacred  than Jews to the Anglo-American Empire. 

48:00  Blaming Jews

49:00  AAA

50:00  Is regicide satanic?

Book of Samuel

51:00  Satan in the Book of Job

54:00  Satan is not the one in Milton's Paradise Lost

55:00  Teshuva

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