Explaining Secular Koranism to a skeptical but masculine white South African Islamophobe

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— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 3, 2023

1:00  Leading questions on lunch

6:00  The Zoo

7:00  Robert the principled and masculine South African

14:00  End Times by Peter Turchin review – can we predict the collapse of societies?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/28/end-times-by-peter-turchin-review-elites-counter-elites-and-path-of-political-disintegration-can-we-identify-cyclical-trends-in-narrative-of-human-hope-and-failure?CMP=share_btn_tw

 25:00  Secular Koranism - coming to the rescue of Western civilisation!

26:00  HEDGEHOG says thing are not that bad.

29:00  ROBERT DUIGAN thinks Islamic world is more likely to survive.

32:00  Decline of Rome

35:00  Decline of religion

38:00  GAZELLE summarises Robert's history lesson. 

Julius Evola

39:00  Race as religion

40:00  Do we underestimate the resilience of Western civilisation?

44:00  British expected to pay reparations too. 

47:00  Pakistan still a representative democracy.

48:00  Rotating monarchy

Ian Dallas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdalqadir_as-Sufi

50:00  Cape Town

51:00  Abdul Hakim Murad

56:00  Political problems of the West rooted in religion?

How is it not rational to have religion?

58:00  Moral systems include secular political ideologies and religions.

China over the centuries has changed.

59:00  Roman civilisation and its proposed bachelor tax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Huning 

1:00:00  Confucianism

1:03:00  Territorial integrity of China

1:04:00  Monarchy

1:05:00  Democracy

1:06:00  Double bureaucracy

HEDGEHOG speaks.

1:10:00  The wrong religion

1:11:00  Cliodynamics

1:13:00  A consumer's guide to religion

1:15:00  Cliodynamics is a pseudoscience.

1:18:00  Jewish theology

1:19:00  Muslims, marriage and eugenics

1:20:00  Attitudes towards marriage affect our behaviour

1:22:00  Treating unmarried parents as sex offenders

1:23:00  Appealing to a higher power ie the Fourth Estate

1:24:00  The ruling classes are incompetent and corrupt.

1:25:00   Islamophobia and Trump supporters

1:26:00  An official religion for America and Europe

1:27:00  More than one interpretation of history

1:28:00  The UK is the biggest US vassal state.

1:29:00  Hierarchy and God

1:30:00  Democracy has become a religion. 

1:31:00  Nice and nasty forms of persuasion

1:31:00  The bargain between God and Man

1:33:00  Cause and effect of suffering

1:34:00  CIA, the media, UNESCO and NGOs

1:35:00  Rothschilds

1:36:00  The Emperor's New Clothes

1:37:00  Peter Turchin as Hari Seldon?

1:39:00  Storytelling

1:40:00  Remorse, Repentance and Redemption

1:41:00  1977 to 1993

1:42:00  Apartheid

1:43:00  Afrikaans v British

1:44:00  Rhodesia

1:46:00  1996

1:48:00  Black on black violence

1:49:00  Female Dutch journalist

1:50:00  Background

1:51:00  Apartheid a working class movement

1:52:00  Cornish workers brought trade unionism

1:53:00  Brandy taxes

1:58:00  White people in South Africa

2:00:00  Religion

2:01:00  Liberals in South Africa in reality denial

2:04:00  My friend's South African boss

2:05:00  "White South Africans are lower middle class philistines

2:06:00  Irish-German Catholic Americans

2:08:00  Fancy private schools teach Critical Race Theory

2:10:00  School rugby chants

2:11:00  St Benedict's Catholic School

2:12:00  South African masculinity

2:13:00  Social revolution in university

2:14:00  Removing Afrikaans from the curriculum

2:15:00  Linguistic and racial barriers

2:16:00  Declining birth rate in Russia

2:17:00  Battle-hardened men

2:18:00  Russia's cosmopolitan population

2:19:00  Religion and the Koran

2:20:00  Christianity and Secular Koranism

2:21:00  First Amendment supported by the Koran.

2:22:00  The laws in the Koran are fair enough. 

2:23:00  American, French and Russian Revolutions were rejections of Christianity and monarchy.

2:24:00  Convincing the elite of Secular Koranism

2:25:00  "the corpse of Islam"

2:26:00  "You can't sell people a value system on the basis of a nihilistic argument."

This is a non sequitur. A value system cannot by definition be nihilistic. 

2:27:00  Marriage as a child protection scheme is beyond debate. 

2:31:00  The ruling classes

2:32:00  The absolute monarch desires to be loved. 

2:33:00  GAZELLLE rejoins. 

Walk on By by Dionne Warwick

2:34:00  Culture

2:36:00  Minorities

2:37:00  Why South Africans are more masculine.

2:38:00  Culture and values

2:39:00  Traditions

2:40:00  Atheist funerals

2:41:00  Traditions and values

2:42:00  British values

2:43:00  Idioms

2:46:00  Too many chiefs, not enough Indianss.

Gulf States are luxury welfare states.

2:47:00  Fearing a higher power

2:50:00  Procrastination

2:51:00  The Organised Mind

2:52:00  Morrison on gentrification

2:43:00  Homo solo

2:56:00  Uighurs in Xinjiang

3:12:00 The First Emperor of China burning books

3:13:00  Pakistan and Bangladesh

3:18:00  Commerce would make people nicer towards each other. 

3:20:00  Chain migration

3:21:00  Muhajirs similar to white British people.

3:35:00  Civic nationalism

3:37:00  British Rationalism

3:38:00  Anti-intellectualism

3:39:00  Atheist Rationalism and Theist Rationalism

3:40:00  Rational Nationalism

PHIL GOODMAN joins.

3:41:00  Lying Pakistanis

3:54:00  Antisemitic

3:55:00  ROBERT DUIGAN rejoins.

3:56:00  Evacuation of South Africans

4:02:00  Argentina

4:15:00  Annihilation

4:17:00  Covid