10:50 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Brett will fight for his own right to argue while silencing others.
10:50 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Brett is great at bloviating.
10:51 AM
@Eolson-helper
#1
Claire- please lay off the ad hominem attacks.
10:51 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@Eolson-helper Happy to substantiate them ie give examples.
10:52 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Eolson-helper I know you like patronising me, Olson.
10:52 AM
@Eolson-helper
#2
Examples are not the point.
10:52 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
The point is being able to support our claims.
10:53 AM
@Eolson-helper
#2
Patronage only happens when you lower your arguments to based instincts
10:53 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Facts and logic should be used to support our claims, shouldn't it?
10:53 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Facts and logic > "based instincts"
10:53 AM
@Eolson-helper
#2
Facts and logic not ad hominem.
10:54 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Am I not allowed to call out hypocrites and explain why they are hypocrites?
10:54 AM
@Eolson-helper
#2
Agree Claire. So stick to the facts and logic of the discussion and not attacking people on who they are, instead of addressing their arguments
10:55 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Brett said he would fight for his right to argue and this is done through silencing others.
10:55 AM
@Eolson-helper
#2
If hypocrisy is in the facts and logic of the argument and discussion.
10:56 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Hypocrisy is pretending to believe in stuff to make yourself seem a better person than you actually are.
10:56 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Lovingly = hypocritically?
10:57 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
What happened to all those straight talking men I used to hear so much about?
10:57 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Is truth a wrecking ball?
10:57 AM
@KenDolli
even if you dont know a person, we're commanded to honor the humanity of everyone. Matt C is the only one TLC to stress that point when PVK makes his materialist arguments about flesh in the game
10:58 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Glad Brett noticed that PVK is is full of heresies and only sees Christianity as a source of income managing his herd of cattle who are frightened by facts and logic.
10:59 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Matt C is reasonably smart though he talks a lot of nonsense. Smart men talking nonsense is a sign of fear.
11:00 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Men talking to women usually have the ulterior motive of seeking sexual access to her.
11:00 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
What is the product Brett is selling?
11:01 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Brett is selling the idea that he is a nice guy and not a hypocrite afraid of facts and logic muscling on female territory of being nanny.
11:01 AM
@AT_Shipley
They are people to be loved not problems to be solved or heads on sticks to be corrected. Sometimes love requires gentle correction.
11:02 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Facts and logic are the hill men should be prepared to die on.
11:02 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
If you are too gentle, the cattle requiring stick don't get it.
11:03 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Because of feminism, men are afraid of being straight talking men.
11:04 AM
@AT_Shipley
#1
Agreed there are times to not be gentle but takes wisdom to know when that is.
11:04 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
In family gatherings, the senior man should be already known and it is usually the host. Maybe families should talk to each other more often than once a year. There should also be a clearer hierarchy.
11:05 AM
@KenDolli
recognize other's humanity, yet use behavior as an indication of one's character and take heed accordingly. unfortunately we have not all been treated like humans, which is why there is lack of trust.
11:05 AM
@Jzepp
Maybeove requires being present. Once you let your focus shift into the future, you have left mentally.
11:05 AM
@Eolson-helper
#3
Claire - I think you have jumped the shark if you start viewing people as cattle.
11:06 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Brett is the person with the biggest gap between words and action. He is probably trying to impress Megan without realising it himself.
11:07 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
There are people who will never use their free will and would never think of thinking independently.
11:07 AM
@Eolson-helper
#3
Claire - why are you obsessed with attacking Brett?
11:07 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Hypocrites should be called out.
11:07 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Hypocrites are Hell-bound, don't you know.
11:08 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Why shouldn't I call out the most hypocritical individual?
11:09 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Women should beware men who want to muscle in on female territory.
11:10 AM
@Eolson-helper
#3
Claire - you argued, the difference between his words and actions. Yet you don’t know us individually to know our actions, therefore you are not in a place to judge hypocrisy….
11:10 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Women should beware of intellectually dishonest men who suppress the truth.
11:11 AM
@KenDolli
OGRose discussing relationship & communion as it relates to salvation vs sanctification, but in a socalled "High Church" sacramental sense, you must be initiated into the rite for relational communion
11:11 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
All YouTubers are characters on a soap opera if they live stream regularly in their YouTube community.
11:11 AM
@Eolson-helper
Then you made a conjecture about his motives, which as you so correctly pointed out, have nothing to do with facts and logic. I would suggest you stick with your own statements and not do other things
11:12 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@KenDolli Did you see O G Rose shuckling and grimacing uncontrollably at times?
11:12 AM
@KenDolli
#1
Eastern Orthodox still use the terminology of "initiated into the mysteries", because of the context of Mystery rite traditions
11:12 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Eolson-helper I know you are blindly loyal to your online friends.
11:13 AM
@Eolson-helper
I thought loyalty was something the Koran said was a good?
11:13 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Brett thinks being nanny is the key to status in the degenerate matriarchy of the West. Many YouTubers do this.
11:14 AM
@Jzepp
Assuming the best in another person is maybe better called friendship than blind loyalty.
11:14 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper You should only be loyal to your moral principles. If you are a hypocrite and liar, you are not principled.
11:14 AM
@KenDolli
#2
Protestants tend to use these terms abstractly because they are not part of the traditional branches of the early patriarchal churches of Roman Christendom
11:15 AM
@Eolson-helper
People were loyal to Mohammed despite him being hypocritical?
11:15 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
If Brett is so convinced in his Christianity, he should be prepared to argue theology instead of reminding everyone what a Christian he is.
11:15 AM
@Jzepp
#1
People are not ideas. Applying an ideal to a person will always lead to the conclusion that they are hypocrites.
11:16 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper Was Muhammad a hypocrite? Chapter and verse, please.
11:16 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Jzepp Don't you believe in having moral convictions?
11:16 AM
@Jzepp
#1
Yes
11:17 AM
@Jzepp
#1
I apply that to myself as rigorously as I can.
11:17 AM
@KenDolli
#2
@Claire, I have noticed his sporadic mild body convulsions and his hyperactive rhythms, but there could be medical conditions at play, so wouldn't want to assume drug abuse
11:17 AM
@Jzepp
#1
But sometimes I miss the mark and I am willing to allow for that possibility in others.
11:18 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Jzepp Shouldn't you be prepared to defend your moral convictions?
11:18 AM
@Jzepp
#1
Actions speak louder than words.
11:19 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@KenDolli He talks like a fast-talking conman coming up with unnecessary neologisms to confuse and distract.
11:19 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
What is the most useful idea O G Rose came up with? Authentic Gibbons? Pah!
11:20 AM
@Jzepp
#1
If you have a friendship with someone, you earn the right to speak into their hypocrisy. It must be done in that order to be successful in my experience. Friendship first.
11:20 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Of course PVK will promote any nonsense if it has the branding of Jesus.
11:21 AM
@Eolson-helper
Claire - an easy one, his marriage to Zaynab
11:21 AM
@Eolson-helper
Claire - you would agree that I can’t marry my son’s wife correct?
11:22 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper What about Zaynab?
11:23 AM
@Eolson-helper
Claire- so your saying I can’t marry my merry my sons wife if they have an argument?
11:23 AM
@KenDolli
#2
Ihe is an intelligent man with a very active mind, and seems to be genuinely objective in his thought experiments, yet I still see his biases at times which is only natural. I value erudites like him
11:23 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Jzepp The best way to choose good friends is to see if they can take the truth. That is why some male philosophers think men can never be friends with women.
11:24 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper Does the Koran say you can marry your son's wife?
11:24 AM
@KenDolli
#2
of course, intelligence is not synonymous with wisdom per se
11:24 AM
@Jzepp
#1
Claire, that is truth first, friendship second. I’ve not seen that work with people in real life. Maybe it could? I’ve just not seen it.
11:25 AM
@ChristianDiaspora
Slippery slope to the tyranny of the "neighborhood association" 👀
11:25 AM
@Eolson-helper
Claire- it does not, yet Mohammad did it.
11:26 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Jzepp So we are agreed that we would not want the friendship of a liar who cannot be reasoned with.
11:27 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Prophet Muhammad did not marry the wife of a biological son, as he had no surviving male offspring but he did marry Zaynab bint Jahsh, who was the former wife of his adopted son, Zayd ibn Harithah.
11:28 AM
@KenDolli
#2
but brotherhood comes from being initiated into the same rite body
11:29 AM
@Jzepp
#1
Maybe Claire. But the only way a liar may reform is if he has something to lose, namely a friendship. I’m not talking about a pathological liar, but someone who has lied, or is wrong in his thinking.
11:29 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Since Brett is talking about his past, we want to know why Brett did not marry this English bird he once knew.
11:29 AM
@Eolson-helper
Claire- so it’s ok for me to marry the wife of another man if they have a fight? Zayd was still alive if I remember correctly.
11:30 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Jzepp There are people who value facts and logic over their own opinion, and there are those who do not, but pretend to, like Brett.
11:30 AM
@Eolson-helper
Claire- what does Brett marrying have to do with the facts and logic you are after?
11:31 AM
@Jzepp
#1
If there is an opposite to a friendship-first way of acting in the world, it would be ad hominem attacks.
11:31 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper Muhammad had no surviving male offspring.
11:32 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Eolson-helper "it’s ok for me to marry the wife of another man if they have a fight?" If who has a fight?
11:33 AM
@KenDolli
#2
European colonialism treats people around the world as less than human, yet many can't comprehend when and why those victims dont recognize their colonizers as supremely moral actors
11:35 AM
@KenDolli
#2
and many of said abuses are done in the name of Christianity
11:35 AM
@Jzepp
#1
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say”were done”?
11:36 AM
@AT_Shipley
#3
@Ken humanity as a whole has done a pretty good job of treating other humans inhumanly.
11:37 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
White people treat each other horribly. So it is no surprise that genocide is a casual thing for them. Christianity makes them horrid to each other.
11:38 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@KenDolli Christian imperialism
11:39 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Christianity is known for killing more Christians than non-Christians.
11:39 AM
@KenDolli
#2
historical context of the socalled exploration age of discovery and the colonialism and chattel slavery that followed and contemporary post world war eras has been European domination
11:41 AM
@Jzepp
#1
But certainly that was not done explicitly in the name of Jesus.
11:41 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
No other religion has had a continental war of religions ie the Europeans Wars of Religion. No other religious group has started two World Wars. Now they are busy starting WW3.
11:41 AM
@KenDolli
#2
my statement began as "many of said abuses"
11:42 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
In the meantime, people claiming to be Christians look the other way instead of taking an interest in US foreign policy and how it might affect them.
11:43 AM
@KenDolli
#2
denialism and deflection is part of the problem of never owning one's own complicity. repentance is about acknowledging the sin, turning from the sin, and reconciliation with those victimized
11:44 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Jzepp "To the Glory of God" is a common inscription on WW1and WW2 memorials, particularly in the United Kingdom and Commonwealth nations, used to sanctify the sacrifice of the fallen.
11:44 AM
@KenDolli
#2
ie restorative justice
11:44 AM
@AT_Shipley
#3
War seems to be a factor across all of human history regardless of nationality, ethnicity or political systems. The question is which ones actually endorse the violence and which ones challenge it?
11:45 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@Jzepp Imagine if these war memorials had said "To the glory of British imperialism and the Foreign Office"!
11:45 AM
@KenDolli
#2
Andrew, moral equivalence fallacies is a tactic
11:45 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
@AT_Shipley War and empire is a test of your religion.
