“For all of these reasons, it was important that Yoram Hazony get his argument, and his history, right. Unfortunately, in many respects he has not.” https://t.co/6ifcSTqpQH— Martin Kramer (@Martin_Kramer) November 26, 2018
This is a great review. It seems surprising that such a fan of Herzl as Hazony would dismiss liberal nationalism.— Paul Gross (@pauldgross) November 28, 2018
I believe Yoram Hazony is saying liberalism and representative democracy are incompatible with national survival, in particular the survival of Israel.— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
Well if he is, it’s a baseless claim.— Paul Gross (@pauldgross) December 1, 2018
Obviously, Israeli nationalists are tired of the farce they are forced to participate in of trying to operate the rules of liberal democracy which they feel is antithetical to their national security.— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
To move in that direction would be a betrayal of the state’s founding fathers. Zionism was a profoundly liberal nationalism- especially on the right under Jabotinsky. The religious far-right of Kahane is alien to normative Zionism.— Paul Gross (@pauldgross) December 1, 2018
Surely you are putting the cart before the horse? Zionism owes its very existence to Judaism. Jabotinsky called himself a nationalist and a - wait for it! - liberal democrat ... https://t.co/fIjhtWEe5k— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
I agree about Jabo. That’s my point. As for Judaism, I have no more time for right wingers who claim Judaism mandates conservatism than I do for leftists who say the opposite. Judaism is far too vast, rich and interpretive a tradition to be claimed by any one modern philosophy.— Paul Gross (@pauldgross) December 1, 2018
Your position is as bemusing as a Marxist/nationalist/Christian/Muslim saying his beliefs are nothing to do with Marxism/nationalism/Christianity/Islam!— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
Judaism is whatever its scripture says it is. You seem to think it is in order for Jews to say they do not owe the very existence of Israel as well as their identity to Judaism. If you wish to identify as a Jew then you have to acknowledge the primacy of Judaism, surely?— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
Firstly, no. Because Jewish identity is more than just a religious identity. Secondly, fundamentals of Jewish ‘scripture’ were have been interpreted and reinterpreted from the development of the Oral Law 2000+ years ago onwards.— Paul Gross (@pauldgross) December 1, 2018
What else is hewish identity besides a religious identity? How else will you even define Jewishness except by religious doctrine?— Jewish Identity (@JewishIdentity) December 2, 2018
If religion serves any purpose at all, it is to bind a people together and keep the group in existence. Judaism is notably successful in this exercise thereby inspiring attempts by the gentile to adapt Judaism for gentiles in the form of Christianity and Islam.— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
Stupid question. You think secular Zionists like Ahad Ha’am, David Ben Gurion, Chaim Weizmann did not have strong Jewish identities?— Paul Gross (@pauldgross) December 2, 2018
No. Ben Gurion said Jewishness has no definition and Ahad Haam invented his own. So no, I don’t. But answer my stupid question if you can: without religious doctrine, how do you define Jewishness?— Jewish Identity (@JewishIdentity) December 2, 2018
Let's say there are only gay Jews whose mother were Jewesses living in Israel. When these LGBT Jews die, God's Chosen People would be no more. Following the Torah properly would have prevented these gay Jews from embarking on their journey of sexual licence and self- extinction.— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 2, 2018
A liberal Jew has to be reminded of this. https://t.co/H4yFZthopt— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 2, 2018
Think of your mother being Jewish as a deposit. If you don't pay up, your children will lose your deposit. Peter Hitchens' late mother was a Jewess.— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 2, 2018
Israel is the Western colonial outpost of America, a declining empire that can no longer keep its women in order or repel unarmed third world illegal immigrants. It is probably time for Israelis to think of relying on something more reliable than a hated and corrupt empire.— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
While it is fine for Jews to remain a small non-imperial nation because its boundaries have already been defined in Numbers 34:1-15, gentile nations are not similarly fortunate and must fight each other for living space.— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
Liberals regard Feminism as their Sacred Cow. Liberalism in the 21st century means nothing more than supporting policies promoting sexual liberation. This is the direct cause of degeneracy evidenced by the precipitous fall in Western IQ. https://t.co/UAzcbIBI5h— Claire Khaw (@Theocracy4all) December 1, 2018
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