Saturday, 10 April 2021

Discussing the Noahide laws with Vincent Bruno from 1:46:00


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1:47:00  The Noahide laws are a minimum universal standard of morality set by God.

1:48:00  Only Israeli rabbis care about kiruv, it would appear. 

1:49:00  Rabbis don't want Jews saying they want to be just Noahides because that is enough to get to heaven and don't want Jews to convert to Islam either. 

1:50:00  Can Jews become ex-Jews?

1:51:00  Jewish emancipation in Europe meant rabbis losing their authority over diaspora Jews. 

1:52:00  Rabbinical knowledge of the Noahide laws is poor because it is not part of the core rabbinical syllabus.

1:53:00  Islam is not Noahide according to Rabbi Coffman. 


1:55:00  Chabad

1:56:00  Rabbi Coffman has already acknowledged that there is a duty for rabbis to deal with gentiles who want to convert to Judaism, but gentiles who only want to remain Noahides fall into a twilight zone. I have already said they should just be pointed in the direction of the nearest mosque.  

1:57:00  Rabbi Gavriel Krausz

1:58:00  Not all rabbis are interested in Noahide laws.  

1:59:00  Rabbis promoting Noahidism are only interested in rabbinically-guided Noahidism which means gentiles would have to willingly submit to their authority. But why would they if they can be Muslim? The majority of Noahides are believed to be ex-Christian Islamophobes who prefer the bargain being offered by rabbinically-guided Judaism in preference to converting to Islam to get to heaven.  

2:00:00  Muslim antisemitism

2:01:00  Rabbis are not singing from the same hymn sheet as regards the Noahide laws. 

2:02:00  Vincent is offended by the Noahide laws.

2:08:00  If you believe in the Abrahamic God, you would want to be considered Noahide. 

2:10:00  Universal minimum moral standards represented by the Noahide laws

2:00:00  Hindus are obviously not Noahides. 

2:15:00  Multiple Truth Hypothesis

2:16:00  Gentiles seem to instinctively want Jewish approval. 

2:18:00  Rabbis are probably forbidden to read the Koran. 

2:20:00  The Torah was first revealed by God for Jews, and finally the Koran was revealed for gentiles. 

2:21:00  Supersessionism

2:22:00  Two rabbis, three opinions.

2:23:00  Rabbis are pretending not to understand what I am saying as well as dragging their feet and muddying the waters because they don't want to properly teach the Noahide laws for tactical and political reasons. They are in fact guilty of hidden idolatry because they are taking into account irrelevant considerations (ie their fear of offending their Christian overlords and their anxiety to prevent Jews wanting to worship the Abrahamic God without being guilty of idolatry and blasphemy from coming to the conclusion that converting to Islam would be enough to get them on the road to heaven) and ignoring relevant considerations (ie their religious obligation as God's Chosen People to be light unto the nations by teaching the Noahide laws properly quickly and effectively by ranking the four gentile religions according to their conformity with the Noahide laws).

2:24:00  The horror of living in a world where governments change their mind about the rules every two hours


1:00  "Every two hour change their mind"


God: "How about following the eternal and universal laws of God just to give your lives order and structure again?"  

Jews and gentiles: "OK, can we have the starter theocracy that is Secular Koranism and eventually work our way into a general belief in God in a few generations?"

God: "I don't see why not, as long as you repent then adopt Secular Koranism as soon as possible after establishing a one-party theocracy governed by the principles of Secular Koranism."  

Jews and gentiles: "OK."   

2:25:00  Muslims can't persuade non-Muslim gentiles to adopt Secular Koranism on their own without Jews. 

2:28:00  The Judeo-Christian heritage of the West

2:29:00  Noahide laws are universal. 

2:30:00  George Washington's farewell speech

2:32:00  Good government comes from eternal and universal laws from the most powerful being conceivable - the Abrahamic God.

2:34:00  Not that many people offended by the Noahide laws. 

2:37:00  Adam Green and the Jewish Christians who hate Judaism

2:39:00  The reward for Jews for completing their mission to be light unto the nations by properly teaching the Noahide laws is the right to assimilate into righteous gentile nations without endangering their olam haba

2:42:00  Jews forbidden to enter churches which are places of abomination where idolatry and blasphemy are practised but allowed to pray with Muslims in mosques. 

2:43:00  Muslims can afford to bribe a few Israeli rabbis to state that Islam is the most Noahide of all gentile religions. 

2:44:00  Social conservatism

2:45:00  Jews and gentiles are both having an identity crisis and it is driving everyone crazy! 

2:47:00  It is a worthwhile exercise and therapeutic to express our political views and defend them if it can be done honestly, rationally and civilly by reference to an agreed moral system. 

2:48:00  The act of expressing our feelings is subjecting them to analysis either by ourselves or others. 

2:40:00  Vincent Bruno: "As an idolater and a homosexual ... "

2:52:00  quran.com/4/16

2:53:00  quran.com/24/2

2:55:00  Idolatry would be allowed. 

2:56:00  Rabbis wriggling out of their religious responsibility of teaching properly the Noahide laws.

3:00:00  Dubai in the UAE is an attractive destination to many non-Muslims. 

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