WHAT ALISON CHABLOZ''S DEFENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
"Even if my song was grossly offensive, I thought I had the right to upload it because Holocaust Denial is not a crime in Britain. Even if Holocaust Denial were a crime in Britain, I am not guilty of it because I was only mocking the fake survivors, which I specifically mentioned, and was not in any way claiming that the Nazis had not harmed or killed Jews in the numbers or methods claimed."
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so
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uh
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it just gets worse and worse
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for some reason i woke up with
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allison's song in my head going around
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like a a jingle
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i'm more familiar with the words now
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when i first read them
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they're all names of people i'd never
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heard i've never been a
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i've never prided myself on being a
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holocaust historian
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it was all very complicated
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in fact um david irving's talks were
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really about some
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complicated um
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uh narrative of history and detail that
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um it was just difficult to to remember
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in particular people who said this or
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did that and
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it just went in one ear and out the
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other
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and so um what i
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what i found musical and artistic about
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alison's song
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was really the the mimicry the accent
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the um
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a jingle like tune
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that um goes
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that sticks around in your mind and of
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course the
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the words you know this sort of rhyme
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and scantion
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and
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and there's something rather satisfying
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about it well i mean
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even if you have no view on the
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holocaust you just think oh what would a
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what a um memorable little song
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and just because of the
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enormous amount so
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information that you're supposed to
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digest to really get the joke and i'm
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afraid
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i actually don't i don't even get the
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joke about
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um someone being gassed not once but but
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twice
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and how she managed to escape over the
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electric
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fence and landed on the train and
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and it seems to me that we could
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certainly have been argued that
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really alison was not
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guilty of denying the holocaust but
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only of mocking particular holocaust
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survivors
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i wasn't present
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in the previous hearings i wasn't
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really paying attention i'm afraid
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what i thought was going on was
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endless argument about whether it was or
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wasn't a crime under the
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communications act i don't know
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if there was any detailed exam
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examination of the actual lyrics of the
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words
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i had heard that the song was being
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played
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but it's i mean i have played a few
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times myself but
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you don't really get the inside story on
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this
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you know what holocaust revisionists
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actually said about um
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people like irene zisbat and
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elie wiesel and um
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otto frank who it is alleged
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wrote
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the diaries of anne frank
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so i don't know the inside story now if
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if this song were
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okay if the references to this song to
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its various cat well three characters
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really
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know four four characters so the
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characters were irene's this fact
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elie wiesel and
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fred leuchtter as well as otto frank
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the background stories need to be
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examined
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and i'm afraid i don't know i don't know
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i'm off the top of my head because
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i really don't know
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i really don't know
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the background stories so uninterested
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am i in the um
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i guess if there's a holocaust history
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there's a holocaust
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religionism history
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and i'm not really familiar with all
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that because
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i'm not interested in conspiracy
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theories
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i mean i found in my experience that
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even pointing out the obvious it's so
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hard already
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you know people will pretend not to
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understand what you mean and
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not pretend not to agree with you that
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black is black and
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white is white and water wet and fire
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hot
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that you're just really
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oh well i don't know trying to fly to
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the moon
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with um a load on your back
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so
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i have no interest in doing that
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but if the lyrics of the songs
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of of this particular song by alison
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shabo
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were to be properly
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what's a word critiqued i suppose
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so you would get if you ever did english
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literature
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you'd get a piece for your
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a poem and then you'd be asked you know
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what what is it you know is he is he
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german i am big contemplator you see him
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he really coupled you know does it
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rhyme and scan and make sense and you
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know all that kind of thing and we're
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supposed to analyze it
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and don't understand the oh i don't know
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the characterization the alliteration
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the oxymoron the
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um i won't see one what's the one that i
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like the the
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onomatopoeia yeah
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so so so that's how you critique a
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particular piece of poetry or poem
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or play you're expected to do a lot of
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that kind of thing in english literature
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particularly
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to a passage of shakespeare or something
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and and
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and then you know you get all those
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footnotes and those annoying
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footnotes in the back you know at the
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bottom of the page and you know
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you have to turn to the back of the page
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to know what some
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obscure word means and i kind of think
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you need to do that with
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allison's song
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and having examined it more carefully
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i really think that
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she was only mocking fake survivors and
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i think
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um there have been a few people
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who maybe were never in concentration
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camps
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but decided to claim that they were
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in order to well
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get attention for themselves
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and it could certainly be argued that
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these were the only people alison met
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you know the bad ones
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and she even specifies in her
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song fake survivor
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every fake survivor every fake survivors
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laughing fake survivors
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tongues are wagging all us
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frauds are busy blagging meaning
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all us fake survivor frauds are busy
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lagging
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spin that yarn there'll be no gagging
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so if she ever meant to
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to mock jews
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she would be wanting to mock only
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the fake survivor jews
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and the ones who profited from what is
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called the
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holocaust industry
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so she did say you know it's right there
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jumping out at you in print
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let's lie and cheat on film no one
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suspects a thing bigger than lies better
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for us
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every fake survivor every
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fake survivors laughing fake survivors
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tongues are wagging
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all us frauds i.e fake survivors are
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busy blagging
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i wonder if that defense was ever
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made on her behalf
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i wonder if there was any attempt
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by her to find a good jewish lawyer
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[Laughter]
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i suppose if she had um chosen to
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bring you are
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if she had chosen to got in touch i
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would have taken more of an interest
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but it's only now that um
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i've decided to analyze the words of her
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song
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and then just realize that it was
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certainly possible to argue
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that alison didn't mean to deny the
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holocaust at all she was
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merely mocking the fake ones
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the fake survivors
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i hope that those who attended the trial
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who in support of alison
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are able to tell me if those
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those arguments were ever made they can
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remember it
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i don't know
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it would be terrible if they were not
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seems so obvious
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that um if that
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if that point were argued successfully
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then
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then the crime of holocaust denial was
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not even made out
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and she could say no i'm not even
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a holocaust denier because i'm not
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saying it never happened i'm just saying
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that some
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some individuals use the holocaust to
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attract attention for themselves
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and of course they had to be jewish in
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order to
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do this successfully but but it's
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possible that there are
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um fake survivors who
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weren't even jewish who pretended to be
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jewish and were believed
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we don't know
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so this is really what i wanted to say i
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just had to
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get it off my chest
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and i think it'd be more effective if i
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wrote
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read the lines i mean she did say
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here it goes and it rhymes i don't you
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love the scantron
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let's lie and cheat on film no one
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suspects a thing
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bigger the lie is better for us
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every fake survivor so she meant
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only to mock the fake survivors
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every fake survivors laughing fake
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survivors tongues are wagging
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all those frauds are busy lagging spin
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beyond there'll be no gagging
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so it is a bit of
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textual interpretation but i think it's
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certainly arguable
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i i feel
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concerned that this point was not
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already
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argued
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i think maybe a good jewish lawyer would
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have
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done the job nicely
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it would have made a better impression
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that's always the way isn't it that um
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i don't know rape defendants are we try
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and use
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female defend defense lawyers
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that would have been a good pr thing
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what do you mean 888 important stuff
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are you getting my point
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no i don't know documentary all these
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weird names i am not
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a holocaust historian i don't know
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about these details nobody
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you know if you asked some casual
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random person saying have you heard of
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irene's is that have you heard of
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eddie diesel have you heard of fred
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loiter
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have you heard of otto frank
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they would not know who you were talking
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about
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you really have to you know go to an odd
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corner of the internet
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under historical revisionism to even
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begin to start understanding all those
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references
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and i i don't understand
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i don't know these references
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i mean a few of the names well fred
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loiter is familiar to me
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i did go to a few of david irving's
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talks
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and he was saying because of something
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something
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like to said it means that there were no
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get gas chambers
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something like that
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so it would appear
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that alison chapter was not even guilty
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of
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holocaust denial
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the most she was the most he
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could be guilty of is
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is um libelling
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and irene's is that who's still alive
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so that's the worst legally that
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she could be
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guilty of but the others are dead
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she's entitled to believe what she wants
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to believe
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she did not say that
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those people didn't die in
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in in the numbers claimed
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she didn't mention the numbers of you
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know
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it's it boggles the line that these
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arguments were not made
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it's very concerning and she certainly
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shouldn't be imprisoned i mean even more
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now
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she should not be in prison because as
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far as i'm concerned
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the offence was not even made out
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even if she lived in a country in which
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holocaust denial was a crime
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and what she should have said was that
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even if she were guilty of holocaust
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denial
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she did know it was grossly offensive to
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deny the holocaust
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which he was denying that she was doing
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but even if she
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knew it was grossly offensive because of
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course holocaust denial is considered
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grossly offensive and so grossly
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offensive that it is in fact illegal in
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so many countries
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the fact remains that living in britain
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she thought she was legally entitled to
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do it
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i don't know if these arguments were
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made
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and then finally she should have said
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well i'm not guilty of it because
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i was only mocking
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the fake survivors
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i really am concerned that you know
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if these arguments were not even made
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well she she shouldn't have been
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harassed she shouldn't have been
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imprisoned for three days and now
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now for nine weeks
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well i don't know i don't know but it's
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even more concerning now
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you
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