"Before the disease, the cure exists: the disease is the failure of Christianity, the cure Islam."
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
There’s no loony like a religious loony!
Claire Khaw
So you think it is "loony" to base your laws on an established moral system?
I hope you know that I am agnostic, though I would be the first to admit that there is no guarantee that agnostics cannot also be loonies!
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
I think it’s extreme/ loony to suggest that one religion is a disease and another the cure.
Claire Khaw
If all societies need a religion and your religion has already failed long ago and your government is getting from bad to worse, then the case for another better religion to replace the failed one is perfectly logical, wouldn't you say?
And may I remind you that this country has changed its religion at least twice?
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
All societies need a religion?
Claire Khaw
Can you think of any advanced civilisation without a religion that is doing well and has been around for a while?
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
and you think that is because of religion?
can you think of an advanced civilisation which doesn’t have chips?
Claire Khaw
Of course. I can't think of any advanced civilisation that is not identified with a great empire that is not based on an identifiable moral system.
Why are you equating advanced civilisations with the availability of potatoes?
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
I’m not. I’m saying that religion is no longer a requirement for advanced civilisation.
Claire Khaw
Advanced civilisations can decline through moral collapse.
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
I don’t think morality is dependent upon religion any more either.
Claire Khaw
Where does morality come from then?
Can anyone talk about morality and successfully avoid discussing God or religion? QED.
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
of course you can.
Claire Khaw
Perhaps you can if it is a monologue, but any discussion of morality will have the other person talking about religion or God as a source of morality. So how would you define morality?
PERSON WHO CALLED ME A RELIGIOUS LOONY
you think of an advanced civilisation which does not eat chips?
Claire Khaw
What have chips to do with this discussion?
How would you define morality?
So I'm the "loony" when you are the one who keeps equating chips with advanced civilisations? Just checking.
Just want to confirm that you really truly genuinely don't think morality is anything to do with religion and that Western nations can do without religion and keep going with liberalism, is that right?
Can we confirm that it is your view that liberalism will outlast Islam?
Can you define liberalism and explain why you think liberalism will be the eternal secular religion of your country as well as the universal political ideology of the world?
So if you don't respond again, are we to conclude that you think you have won the argument and that I am therefore the "loony" that you said I was?
Will Jews and Muslims outlast Liberalism or will Liberalism carry on long after Jews and Muslims become extinct?
11:00 Secular Koranism
Rabbis
13:00 Ranking the four gentiles religion
Reasoning by analogy
16:00 Hero-worshiping is idolising?
17:00 Muhammad
21:00 Stereotyping and pigeon holing
23:00 My ideas are a collection of principles.
25:00 Moral principles
26:00 Suicide
30:00 Proscription
32:00 Sclerosis
33:00 Doubt
34:00 Applying principles
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