Wednesday, 19 March 2025

AI fun with Secular Koranism and Vincent Bruno #17 The Register of Religions and the Heretical Christian Thomas Jefferson

 https://t.co/VWdu9Z457r

3:00  Changes to the categories of Jews and Christians on the Register of Religions

16:00  Secular Koranism update to religious registry

23:00  Thomas Jefferson was a Heretical Christian.

How many of the Founding Fathers were deists?

It’s tricky to pin down an exact number of Founding Fathers who were deists because religious beliefs in the 18th century weren’t always neatly labeled, and historians debate the nuances. Deism, which emphasizes reason and a belief in a creator who doesn’t intervene in the world, was influential during the Enlightenment and appealed to some prominent figures of the American Revolution.

Among the most commonly cited Founding Fathers—think George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Paine—several leaned toward deist ideas, though their beliefs varied and often blended with other influences like Christianity. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin are frequently pegged as deists. Jefferson famously edited the Bible to remove miracles, aligning with deist skepticism about divine intervention, while Franklin wrote about a creator who set the world in motion and then stepped back. Thomas Paine, in works like The Age of Reason, explicitly championed deism and criticized organized religion.

Others, like Washington and Adams, are murkier. Washington was private about his faith, rarely mentioning Jesus Christ in personal writings and favoring vague terms like “Providence,” which some interpret as deist-leaning, though he attended church regularly. Adams was a Unitarian, rejecting the Trinity, but he still valued religion’s moral role, making him less of a pure deist. Madison’s views suggest a rational approach to faith, possibly deist-influenced, but he kept it subtle. Hamilton’s beliefs shifted over time—he was more religious later in life—and don’t neatly fit the deist mold.

If we narrow it to these seven key figures, Jefferson, Franklin, and Paine are the strongest deist candidates, giving us about three. But the “Founding Fathers” isn’t a fixed list—some count dozens or hundreds, including lesser-known signers of the Declaration or Constitution. Among the 56 Declaration signers, scholars estimate maybe 10-15% were deists based on broader Enlightenment trends, though hard data is scarce since personal beliefs weren’t always documented.

So, a rough answer: of the big names, likely 3 or so were deists. Expand the pool, and you might get 5-10, but it’s more art than science—18th-century faith was fluid, and these guys didn’t exactly fill out a “deist or not” checkbox.

 31:00  Untangling the minds of most people

32:00  Accusation of heresy under Secular Koranism - a story

44:00  PETER BERGER joins to be Islamophobic.

45:00  Muslims are victims of Western imperialism.

46:00  Armenian genocide

47:00  Syria

The difference between "Heretical Christian" and "Unaffiliated Christian" under Secular Koranism



14:00  US Department of Justice
15:00  Attorney General Pam Bondi
17:00  Zionism comes into three forms Jewish, Christian and Zionist
19:00  Sheilaism
22:00  Unaffiliated Christians are not necessarily heretical.
23:00  Emmet Fox
25:00  Church of Divine Science
28:00  Phineas Quimby
32:00  Just as there are heretical Jews, there are heretical Christians.
34:00  Jehovah's Witnesses are not heretics.
37:00  Sheilaism is really heresy.
38:00  Unaffiliated Christians are not necessarily heretics.
39:00  Unaffiliated Christians and Heretical Christians
43:00  Unitarian Christians have a church.
44:00  Zoroastrians
50:00  Vincent's ambiguity
52:00  4000-5000% more views on secularkoranism.blogspot.com
54:00  Church of Divine Science
59:00  No Heretical Muslims list.
1:00:00  A National Supreme Court of Sharia
1:01:00  Confused Muslims
1:01:00  Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafi and Maliki
1:06:00  A Heretical Muslim list?
1:09:00  Christian monarchs
1:10:00  Christian tests?
1:11:00  Sinning Christians are still Christians. Ditto Muslims.
1:12:00  Heretic List
1:15:00  Sheilaism is heresy.
1:17:00  Unaffiliated Christians are on the Unaffiliated Christian List until they express heretical views.
1:28:00  Not believing in the afterlife
1:29:00  Witch hunts
1:31:00  Role play
1:33:00  Heresy
1:35:00  Walking in water
1:37:00  Correct beliefs emphasised
1:40:00  Excommunication
Doooovid
1:41:00  Unprincipled people claiming to be members of a religious group will be made to examine their consciences!
1:42:00  Mamzerim
1:45:00  Self-identification and objective truth
Third Definition of Secular Koranism

Tuesday, 18 March 2025

Lord of the Rings, free will v predestination, republic v monarchy

3:00  Lord of the Rings has a monotheist deity.

In J.R.R. Tolkien's legendarium, the monotheistic god is Eru Ilúvatar, often referred to simply as "theOne." He is the supreme being and creator of all existence in the world of The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, and related works. Here's what we know about him based on Tolkien's writings:

1. Creation and Nature

Eru Ilúvatar is the sole creator of Eä, the universe, which includes Arda (the world where Middle-earth exists). His name combines "Eru" (meaning "the One" or "He that is Alone" in Elvish) and "Ilúvatar" ("Father of All").

He is an omnipotent, omniscient, and transcendent being, existing outside of time and space until he brings the universe into being with the words "Eä! Let these things Be!" Unlike polytheistic gods, Eru has no equal or rival; he is the ultimate source of all power and existence.

2. The Ainur and the Act of Creation

Before creating the physical world, Eru brings forth the Ainur, spiritual beings akin to angels, from his thought. They are not gods but extensions of his will and imagination.

Eru initiates the Ainulindalë, the Music of the Ainur, a cosmic symphony that serves as the blueprint for the universe. The Ainur contribute to this music, but Eru alone has the power to give it reality, infusing it with the Flame Imperishable, the secret fire that grants true life and being.

One of the Ainur, Melkor (later Morgoth), rebels by introducing discord into the music, seeking to dominate creation. Eru counters this by weaving Melkor’s discord into a greater harmony, showing his ultimate sovereignty.

3. Role in the World

Eru is not an active, interventionist deity in the daily affairs of Middle-earth. After creating Eä, he delegates the shaping of the world to the Valar, a group of the most powerful Ainur who enter Arda to fulfill his vision.

However, Eru does intervene at key moments:

He grants independent existence to the Children of Ilúvatar—Elves and Men—making them distinct from the Ainur’s creations (like Dwarves, created by the Vala Aulë but given life by Eru).

He directly causes the downfall of Númenor in the Second Age, sinking the island when its people, corrupted by Sauron, attempt to invade the Undying Lands, an act of divine judgment against their hubris.

Some interpret the destruction of the One Ring in The Lord of the Rings as subtly guided by Eru’s will, particularly when Gollum’s fall into Mount Doom fulfills what Frodo and Sam could not achieve alone.

4. Theology and Worship

Eru is rarely worshipped directly in a formalized way in Middle-earth, reflecting Tolkien’s intent to keep overt religion subtle in his stories. The Elves revere him indirectly through their songs and their veneration of the Valar, especially Varda (Elbereth), who is closest to Eru in spirit.

Men, particularly the Númenóreans, once honored Eru with a sacred mountain, Meneltarma, where they offered thanks and prayers in silence, without temples or idols. This practice faded as Númenor fell into corruption.

Eru’s presence is felt more as a distant, benevolent force rather than a deity demanding ritualistic devotion.

5. Philosophical and Moral Aspects

Eru embodies Tolkien’s Catholic-inspired view of a singular, all-powerful God. Free will is a key gift from Eru to his Children (Elves and Men), allowing them to shape their destinies, though within his overarching plan.

The fates of Elves (immortal, bound to Arda) and Men (mortal, with an unknown destiny after death) are mysteries known only to Eru, suggesting a deeper purpose beyond the physical world.

Evil, such as that of Melkor and Sauron, exists as a perversion of Eru’s creation, not as a dualistic counterforce. Eru’s ultimate authority ensures that even evil serves his greater design.

6. Tolkien’s Intent

Tolkien explicitly confirmed Eru’s monotheistic nature in his letters (e.g., Letter 131), describing his world as having "only one ‘God’" and the Valar as "angelic powers" under him. This reflects his desire to create a mythology compatible with Christian theology, though not an allegory.

In summary, Eru Ilúvatar is the omnipotent, singular creator of Tolkien’s universe—a distant yet foundational figure whose will underpins all events, expressed through creation, rare interventions, and the free choices of his Children. He’s not a god of temples or statues but a transcendent force of goodness and order. Does this

give you the insight you were looking for?

In J.R.R. Tolkien’s legendarium, particularly The Silmarillion, the question of whether Melkor’s rebellion was “all part of Eru Ilúvatar’s plan” is a deep theological and philosophical one that Tolkien leaves somewhat open-ended, reflecting his Catholic worldview. The text provides evidence that Melkor’s actions, while rebellious and destructive, are ultimately subsumed into Eru’s greater design, though not necessarily intended or desired by Eru in a direct sense. Let’s explore this step-by-step:

1. The Ainulindalë and Melkor’s Discord

In the creation myth of The Silmarillion, Eru initiates the Music of the Ainur, a cosmic symphony where the Ainur (angelic beings, including Melkor) contribute themes to shape the world. Melkor, the most powerful of the Ainur, introduces discord, seeking to dominate the music with his own vision rather than harmonize with Eru’s.

Eru responds not by stopping Melkor but by weaving the discord into the greater melody. He declares to Melkor:

"And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined."

This suggests that Eru has the power to turn even rebellion into something that serves his ultimate purpose.

2. Free Will and Rebellion

Tolkien’s world emphasizes free will as a fundamental gift from Eru, not just to Elves and Men (the Children of Ilúvatar) but also to the Ainur. Melkor’s rebellion stems from his own pride and desire for power, not from Eru forcing him to rebel.

Eru doesn’t cause Melkor’s fall—he allows it. This mirrors Tolkien’s Christian belief in free will, where evil arises from the choices of created beings, not from God’s direct intent. Melkor’s discord is his own act, but Eru’s omnipotence ensures it cannot derail the divine plan.

3. Eru’s Sovereignty Over Creation

The passage above implies that Eru’s plan is not a rigid script but a dynamic framework that incorporates even defiance. Melkor’s rebellion leads to chaos, suffering, and the marring of Arda (the world), yet Eru uses these events to bring forth beauty and complexity that wouldn’t have existed otherwise.

For example:

Melkor’s destructive acts (like creating ice and fire in extremes) add variety to the world, which the Valar then refine.

The strife caused by Melkor’s theft of the Silmarils drives the history of the First Age, leading to acts of heroism and redemption that enrich Arda’s story.

Eru’s statement suggests that Melkor, despite his intentions, becomes an unwitting tool—his rebellion contributes to a grander narrative he cannot foresee.

4. Evil as a Catalyst, Not a Goal

Tolkien doesn’t portray Eru as orchestrating evil for its own sake. Melkor’s rebellion introduces genuine harm—wars, corruption (e.g., the creation of Orcs), and the fall of Númenor—but Eru’s plan seems to transform these into opportunities for good to emerge:

The resilience of Elves and Men against Morgoth (Melkor’s later name) fosters courage and hope.

The eventual defeat of Sauron (Melkor’s servant) in The Lord of the Rings restores balance, possibly guided by Eru’s subtle hand (e.g., Gollum’s fall into Mount Doom).

This aligns with a theological concept like felix culpa (the "fortunate fall"), where evil, though not willed by God, leads to a greater good through divine providence.

5. Tolkien’s Own Thoughts

In his letters (e.g., Letter 195), Tolkien reflects on evil in his mythology, drawing parallels to Christian ideas. He describes Morgoth’s rebellion as akin to Satan’s fall—real and culpable, yet unable to thwart God’s (or Eru’s) ultimate purpose. Tolkien writes that evil “can only spoil and destroy, not create,” but Eru’s power ensures that even spoilage serves a higher end.

He avoids a deterministic view where Eru scripts every detail, instead suggesting a balance between free will and divine omniscience.

6. Limits of the Plan

While Melkor’s rebellion fits into Eru’s design broadly, the specifics—pain, loss, and the corruption of beings like Orcs—seem to be consequences Eru permits rather than desires. For instance, Eru intervenes directly only rarely (e.g., sinking Númenor), suggesting he doesn’t micromanage but allows history to unfold through free choices.

The ultimate resolution of Arda’s marring—promised in Elvish prophecy as a “Second Music” where all will be healed—implies that Melkor’s actions are a temporary disruption, not the final word.

In Summary

Melkor’s rebellion wasn’t “planned” by Eru in the sense of being his intention, but it was always within the scope of Eru’s omniscience and omnipotence. Eru didn’t force Melkor to rebel; rather, he gave him freedom, and when Melkor chose discord, Eru wove it into a larger tapestry, turning defiance into an instrument of greater creation. It’s less “all part of the plan” in a scripted way and more “contained within the plan” through Eru’s ability to redeem and repurpose even evil. This reflects Tolkien’s view of a world where free will and divine will coexist, with the latter ultimately prevailing. Does this resonate with what you were pondering?

In J.R.R. Tolkien’s legendarium, Eru Ilúvatar’s omniscience—his all-knowing nature—is a foundational aspect of his identity as the supreme, monotheistic creator of Eä (the universe, including Arda and Middle-earth). Tolkien, influenced by his Catholic theology, imbues Eru with a form of omniscience that aligns with traditional conceptions of God, yet he leaves room for ambiguity to preserve the narrative’s focus on free will and the unfolding of history. Let’s explore Eru’s omniscience by examining its scope, implications, and how it interacts with the events and beings of his creation.

1. Definition and Scope of Eru’s Omniscience

All-Knowing Nature: As the singular creator, Eru is depicted as possessing complete knowledge of everything that exists within Eä, since all things originate from him. In the Ainulindalë (the creation myth in The Silmarillion), Eru tells Melkor that “no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,” implying he knows every possibility within the Music of the Ainur, the blueprint of creation. 

Timeless Perspective: Eru exists outside of time, which begins with the creation of Eä. This suggests his omniscience isn’t linear—he perceives past, present, and future simultaneously, akin to the theological concept of God’s eternal “now.” When he gives reality to the Music by declaring “Eä! Let these things Be!” he already knows its full unfolding.

Knowledge of Hearts and Minds: Eru understands the intentions and desires of all beings, including the Ainur and his Children (Elves and Men). For example, he anticipates Melkor’s rebellion during the Music and counters it, showing foresight into Melkor’s prideful nature.

2. Omniscience in the Music of the Ainur

The Music is a collaborative act where the Ainur contribute themes under Eru’s direction, but Melkor introduces discord. Eru’s response—integrating the discord into a greater harmony—demonstrates that he not only knows what Melkor will do but also how every note, harmonious or dissonant, fits into the whole.

This raises a key point: Eru’s omniscience encompasses not just what will happen but all potentialities.

The Music isn’t a rigid script; it’s a vision of possibilities that Eru makes real, knowing every variation Melkor or others might introduce.

When he shows the Ainur a vision of Arda after the Music, some are surprised by details (e.g., the coming of the Children), but Eru isn’t—he withholds certain knowledge from them (like Men’s ultimate fate), suggesting his omniscience exceeds theirs.

3. Interaction with Free Will

Tolkien balances Eru’s omniscience with the free will he grants to the Ainur, Elves, and Men. This is a lassic theological tension: if Eru knows all, does he predetermine all?

Ainur: Melkor’s rebellion is foreseen but not forced. Eru tells him he’ll be an “instrument” for greater things, implying foreknowledge of Melkor’s choices without dictating them. The other Valar, like Manwë, also act freely within Eru’s will.

Children of Ilúvatar: Elves and Men have unique freedom, distinct from the Ainur’s roles. Men’s mortality and unknown afterlife (the “Gift of Ilúvatar”) are mysteries to all but Eru, suggesting he knows their destinies but allows them agency in reaching them.

Eru’s omniscience doesn’t negate choice; rather, it includes it. He knows what beings will freely choose and weaves those choices into his design, as seen when he says Melkor’s discord will lead to “things more wonderful” than Melkor intended.

4. Limits or Restraint of Knowledge

While Eru is omniscient, he doesn’t always share his full knowledge, even with the Valar:

The Valar are surprised by the Children of Ilúvatar, indicating Eru keeps some aspects of his plan hidden until they unfold.

The fate of Men after death is a “secret” known only to Eru, per The Silmarillion. This doesn’t limit his omniscience but shows he controls its revelation.

Practically, Eru’s non-interventionist stance (e.g., delegating Arda’s stewardship to the Valar) suggests he restrains his omniscience from overriding the agency of his creation, letting events play out unless direct action is needed (e.g., Númenor’s fall).

5. Examples of Omniscience in Action

Melkor’s Rebellion: Eru knows Melkor will rebel and how it will shape Arda—marring it with evil but also enriching its history with struggle and redemption. His calm response to the discord shows he’s never caught off guard.

The Silmarils and Fëanor: Eru likely foresees Fëanor’s creation of the Silmarils, their theft by Morgoth, and the ensuing wars. These events drive the First Age, suggesting Eru knows how individual choices ripple outward.

Númenor’s Downfall: When the Númenóreans, corrupted by Sauron, invade the Undying Lands, Eru intervenes directly, sinking their island. This rare act implies he knows precisely when history requires his hand, balancing omniscience with patience.

The One Ring: In The Lord of the Rings, the Ring’s destruction—facilitated by Gollum’s fall—feels providential. Tolkien hints in letters (e.g., Letter 192) that Eru subtly guides this, knowing Frodo’s limits and Gollum’s role, without violating their free will.

6. Theological Implications

Tolkien’s portrayal of Eru’s omniscience mirrors Christian views of God, particularly Augustine’s or Boethius’ ideas: God knows all outcomes not as a deterministic puppet-master but as an eternal observer who sees the entirety of time. Evil (like Melkor’s) isn’t Eru’s will but is permitted within his knowledge, ultimately serving a greater good.

The promise of a “Second Music” after Arda’s end, where all will be healed, reinforces this. Eru knows the final harmony, including how every discordant note (e.g., Morgoth, Sauron, the Ring) contributes to it.

7. Philosophical Tension

Foreknowledge vs. Freedom: If Eru knows Melkor will rebel or that Sauron will forge the Ring, does that make their actions inevitable? Tolkien sidesteps this by focusing on narrative rather than doctrine—Eru’s omniscience ensures the story’s resolution, but the characters’ choices feel real and consequential.

Mystery of Evil: Eru knows evil will arise but doesn’t prevent it outright (e.g., Orcs’ corruption). This reflects Tolkien’s belief that evil, while real, is finite and subordinate to divine purpose, as he notes in

Letter 131.

In Summary

Eru’s omniscience is total—he knows all that was, is, and will be within Eä, from the Music’s first note to Arda’s ultimate renewal. It’s not a passive knowledge but an active, creative force that encompasses free will, turning even rebellion into part of a grander design. Yet Tolkien keeps it subtle, rarely showing Eru’s mind directly, which preserves the mystery and agency of his world. Eru sees everything—Melkor’s fall, the Ring’s end, Men’s fates—but uses that knowledge to guide creation toward beauty, not to dictate every step. 

10:00  Jewish God?

20:00  Free will

35:00  Satan is God's Prosecuting Counsel and agent provocateur.

38:00  Jews fall out of Judaism and Muslims out of Islam.

39:00  Why do Christians and Muslims always complain of Jews?

40:00  The Abrahamic God is logical.

41:00  The Abrahamic God is supposed to be absolutely good.

43:00  It would only be logical to believe that good will be rewarded and evil punished in this life or the next if the Abrahamic God exists. 

Since we want to believe that it is logical to believe good will be rewarded and evil punished, we must  necessarily believe that the morally perfect, omniscient and omnipotent Abrahamic God exists to punish good and reward evil, measure for measure, in this life or the next.

44:00   Emunah and bitachon

46:00  Do gentiles blame Jews or God for their misfortune?

47:00  If we believe in God, we won't blame Jews. If we don't believe in God, we would blame Jews.

48:00  Cause and effect

49:00  Reincarnation

50:00  Kindness and charity

56:00  Choosing the best religion in the world.

57:00  Adam and Eve

58:00  The nature and purpose of religion is to support married parenthood.

1:00:00  Taking religion seriously

1:03:00  Is leniency evidence of truth?

1:04:00  Pragmatism

1:05:00  Sadducees didn't believe in the afterlife.

1:06:00  The principle of being men

1:08:00  Having principles to defend

Status seeking

1:09:00  Immigration

1:11:00  The Koran identifies hypocrites.

1:13:00  Stephen Broughton and Rake

1:14:00  Common sense

1:17:00  Sheilaism and heresy

1:19:00  Organised religion

1:20:00  Empire is the objective measure of human achievement. 

1:21:00  Republics replaced monarchy.

1:22:00  Republicanism can turbo-charge imperialism.

Book of Samuel disapproved of monarchy.

1:23:00  Jews had bad kings. Ditto Christians and Muslims.

1:24:00  Constitutional monarchy of Britain

1:25:00  Monarchy is a broken boiler. 

1:26:00  People want their daddy.

1:27:00  Western men are leaderless.

1:28:00  Boomers v Zoomers

AI fun with Secular Koranism and Vincent Bruno #16 American Caliphate, Islamic European Union



2:00  King Charles converting to Islam and creating a constitutional crisis


9:00  Otis May Blackburn

13:00  Individual and group identity
15:00  Cults
17:00  Working out which religion is best
18:00  White Nationalist beliefs
19:00  [Reading begins.]

28:00  Islamic European Union
31:00  Prompt
33:00  Confederation
35:00  [Reading begins.]
43:00  Was Russia invited to join NATO?
Russia was never formally invited to join NATO as a full member. However, there were discussions and informal considerations about Russia's relationship with NATO, particularly in the 1990s and early 2000s, during a period of relative thaw in East-West relations following the Cold War.

In the early 1990s, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, NATO sought to engage with former Warsaw Pact countries and Russia itself through cooperative frameworks rather than outright membership. In 1994, Russia joined the Partnership for Peace (PfP) program, a NATO initiative designed to build trust and cooperation with non-member states, including former Soviet republics. This was not an invitation to join NATO but rather a mechanism for dialogue and military cooperation. 
A notable moment came in 2000, when then-Russian President Vladimir Putin, early in his tenure, reportedly asked NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson about the possibility of Russia joining the alliance. According to Robertson’s later accounts, Putin inquired, "When are you going to invite us to join NATO?" Robertson responded that countries don’t get invited—they apply, and NATO assesses based on its criteria. Putin reportedly dismissed the idea of Russia applying, suggesting it was beneath Russia to "stand in line" with smaller nations. This exchange highlights that while Putin may have floated the idea, no serious invitation or application process followed.

Later, in a 2001 interview with David Frost, Putin expressed openness to the idea of Russia joining NATO under certain conditions, stating it was conceivable if NATO treated Russia as an equal partner. However, this was more a rhetorical stance than a concrete proposal, and NATO never extended a formal membership offer.

Relations deteriorated over time due to geopolitical tensions—such as NATO’s expansion into Eastern Europe, the 1999 Kosovo intervention, and subsequent events like the 2008 Russo-Georgian War and the 2014 Ukraine crisis—making any notion of Russian membership increasingly untenable. Instead, NATO and Russia established the NATO-Russia Council in 2002 to foster cooperation, but this too faltered amid mutual distrust.

In short, while there were moments of dialogue and hypothetical discussions, Russia was never officially invited to join NATO, and its leaders never pursued membership in earnest.
47:00  The American Caliphate

52:00  DeepSeek
53:00  [Reading begins.]

57:00  Reading the room on National Service
1:01:00  Vincent Bruno should be in the story.
1:09:00  [Reading begins.]
1:17:00  Vincent is DFD moderator on state TV
1:19:00  TradCathKnight is a date-setter.
1:20:00  Seventh Day Adventism
1:21:00  Subscribing to narratives attached to belief systems
1:22:00  Political and moral leadership
1:23:00  Most people are cattle.

There would be fewer disagreements under Secular Koranism.

1:24:00  TradCathKnight
1:25:00  Noahide laws
1:27:00  Idol worshipers in Lord of the Rings
1:30:00  Superficial discussions
1:33:00  Brevity and accuracy
People who think aloud and pontificate
1:34:00  How did people graduate from high school?
1:35:00  Flow chart
Being spoon fed
1:39:00  Chemistry should be taught the Jehovah's Witness way.
1:41:00  Social isolation
1:44:00  Vincent's high school education
1:47:00  Female thinkers and other cult leaders
1:49:00  Grok
1:51:00  Herbert Armstrong
1:52:00  Government wants us to believe in certain narratives.
1:53:00  The propaganda department of Western governments is always busy because they keep changing the narrative.
1:54:00  The divine narrative is the fixed narrative.
Raymond Cattell
1:55:00  Register of Religions, Races and Virtues
1:56:00  Birdbaths and aviary
1:58:00  Ravens and crows
2:00:00  Society finches

Claire Khaw explains Secular Koranism to Samuel Tawhid


4:00  CLAIRE KHAW joins to explain Secular Koranism.
5:00  Feminism
6:00  I explain my position. 
7:00  Iranians got their country back with Islam. 
8:00  Iran is one of the few countries with an independent foreign policy. 
10:00  There will always be dissidents in any country.
11:00  Horror story about Iran
13:00  Secular Koranism is new and different.
14:00  I am not socialist. 
16:00  I am asked why I am not Muslim.
17:00  Higher Authority
18:00  Agnostic
19:00  Low status mortal < Supreme Authority
21:00  Christianity is kaput.
25:00  Sharia theocracies exists.
27:00  quran.com/2/256 supports the First Amendment. 

32:00  

The event you’re referring to is commonly known as the Conquest of Mecca, which occurred in 630 CE (8 AH) when Muhammad and his followers returned to Mecca from Medina with an army of approximately 10,000 Muslims. This was not a "revolution" in the modern sense but a military campaign that resulted in the largely peaceful capitulation of Mecca. Historical accounts, primarily from Islamic sources such as Ibn Hisham’s biography of Muhammad (Sirat Rasul Allah) and Al-Tabari’s chronicles, provide details about this event.

The Conquest of Mecca was remarkably bloodless compared to typical military engagements of the time. Muhammad’s forces entered the city on the 20th of Ramadan, 8 AH (January 11, 630 CE), after the Quraysh, the dominant tribe of Mecca, violated the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah by supporting an attack on a Muslim-allied tribe, the Banu Khuza‘a. Facing overwhelming numbers and little prospect of victory, the Meccan leadership, including Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, surrendered without a major battle.

While exact casualty figures vary slightly depending on the source, the consensus is that very few people were killed during the conquest itself. Muhammad had instructed his commanders to avoid fighting unless resisted, and the city was taken with minimal opposition. However, he did order the execution of a small, specific group of individuals—referred to as "arch-criminals"—who were deemed guilty of severe offenses against the Muslims, such as murder or inciting violence. Islamic sources state that nine or ten people were initially marked for execution, even if found under the Kaaba’s curtains, a place traditionally considered a sanctuary. Ultimately, only four are consistently reported to have been killed:

  1. ‘Abdullah ibn Khatal: A former Muslim who apostatized, killed a Muslim slave, and returned to the Quraysh, later hiring singers to mock Muhammad.
  2. Miqyas ibn Subaba: A Muslim who killed a man in revenge for his brother’s accidental death, then apostatized and fled to Mecca.
  3. Al-Huwayrith ibn Nuqaydh: A Meccan who had insulted Muhammad and assaulted his daughter Zaynab during her escape from Mecca.
  4. Sara: A freed slave who had insulted Muhammad in Mecca (some accounts note her death occurred later, under different circumstances).
The remaining individuals on the list either fled, hid, or were pardoned, including some who sought amnesty or converted to Islam. Beyond these targeted executions, there were no widespread massacres or significant battles within Mecca itself. Some minor skirmishes occurred, particularly in the southern quarter of the city led by figures like Suhail and Ikrima ibn Abi Jahl, but these resulted in negligible casualties—possibly a handful on either side—before resistance ceased.

In total, historical records suggest that fewer than 10 people were killed during the Conquest of Mecca, with the figure often cited as around 4 to 6 directly attributable to the event, primarily from the executions. This low death toll reflects Muhammad’s strategy of offering amnesty and his emphasis on mercy, as evidenced by his general pardon of the Quraysh, including former enemies like Abu Sufyan and Hind bint Utba. The conquest marked a pivotal moment in Islamic history, consolidating Muslim control over Mecca with minimal bloodshed.
For a precise number, the most reliable estimate based on primary sources is approximately 4 to 6 deaths, though this could vary slightly if minor unreported casualties from skirmishes are considered. The event’s peaceful nature stands in contrast to the earlier battles like Badr or Uhud, where dozens or hundreds died, highlighting a shift toward reconciliation rather than retribution in this final takeover of Mecca.
35:00  quran.com/9/29 - jizyah

1:02:00  Not a Nazi restoring the patriarchy

Monday, 17 March 2025

Lisa Renneisen on her rejection of the Abrahamic Godd

1:00  https://noahidepyramidology.blogspot.com

4:00  Isaac Newton

Sacred cubit

5:00  Noah's Ark

6:00  Pyramid inch

7:00  Imperial measures

8:00  British Israelism

9:00  Beggar joins.

10:00  PRIMORDIAL joins.

https://bewiseasserpents.blogspot.com

18:00  Gentiles larping as Jews

19:00  Christians wanted to send Jews to Israel.

23:00  Vincent is grossed out by his own people.

25:00  LISA joins.

27:00  Antisemites

28:00  Noahide laws

29:00  Freedom of religion

30:00  Constitutional implications of the Noahide laws

32:00  Christians

35:00  Noahide  laws

37:00  Why Secular Koranism is better than the Noahide laws

39:00  LISA rejoins.

Sharia > Noahide laws

40:00  Separation of church and state

42:00  Controlling people with the law

43:00  More political parties < One party state

44:00  States' rights

46:00  Gaza

47:00  Genocide

Finding a better  moral system

48:00  Secular Koranism

49:00  Battle of agnostics

50:00  The Abrahamic God

"Strange dichotomies"

51:00  Jews conquered Canaan. 

52:00  New Canaan

53:00  Manifest destiny

54:00  Germans

55:00  Arrived in 1800s

56:00  Nazi Germany

58:00  Jews

59:00  Neo-Platonism

1:01:00  Comparative religion

1:02:00  The JQ or CQ

1:03:00  quran.com/49/13

1:04:00  Does anyone follow any principles?

1:05:00   Basic laws/Noahide laws

1:06:00  The First Amendment

1:07:00  There is only one Abrahamic God.

1:08:00  Theodicy

1:10:00  People murdered by God

1:12:00  How nations are formed

1:13:00  Geopolitics

1:14:00  Is God punishing Muslims?

1:16:00  Rules of warfare

1:17:00  Military Industrial Complex

1:18:00  Religion in the government

Zionism

1:19:00  Israel an American colony

1:20:00  Voting only encourages them.

1:21:00  Broken promises

Smaller government

1:22:00  Hotel California

1:23:00  Trump - campaigning in peace and governing  in war?

1:24:00  Elections

1:25:00  George Washington's farewell speech

https://www.americanmajority.org/blog-2/why-was-george-washington-opposed-to-political-parties/

1:26:00  Scripture allows us to hold people claiming to uphold scriptural principles to account.

1:28:00  The Abrahamic God is the most powerful being conceivable.

1:29:00  Zeus and the god of Sumerians

1:32:00  Cultures come and go.

1:33:00  Is there any deity more powerful than the Abrahamic God?

1:37:00  Bro/Brah

1:38:00  We need guns to stick to.

1:40:00  Free principles for Jews

1:41:00  Rake's principles

1:42:00  Monarchy was abusive and exploitative.

1:44:00  Christendom

1:45:00  Cultural Christianity in America

quran.com/2/256

AI fun with Secular Koranism and Vincent Bruno #15 Citizens of service, Islam, King Charles and Laurens Van Der Post



1:00  Birdbath
4:00  Rake's lack of systematic thinking
11:00  Table of Contents
13:00  Tabs
15:00  The status of being chosen
16:00  Repentant Unmarried Parents  and Unrepentant Unmarried Parents
20:00  Twins and more are treated as one illegitimate birth attracting 100 lashes only.
34:00  A year's grace for a compassionate transition
49:00  Royal Exchange

52:00  Was there a practice by European royal families of sending their sons to each other's households as guests to learn the principles of kingship?

Yes, there was indeed a historical practice among European royal families of sending their sons (and sometimes daughters) to other royal households, though it wasn’t always explicitly framed as learning "the principles of kingship." This custom, often referred to as fosterage or a form of diplomatic exchange, served multiple purposes: education, alliance-building, and cultural exchange. It was particularly common during the medieval and early modern periods.

In the Middle Ages, noble and royal children were frequently sent to live in the households of other rulers or high-ranking families as part of their upbringing. This practice, rooted in feudal traditions, allowed young princes to gain exposure to governance, courtly behavior, military training, and diplomacy under the tutelage of another ruler or lord. For example, a prince might be sent to a foreign court to learn the language, customs, and political strategies of a neighboring kingdom, preparing him for future rule or negotiations. It also fostered personal bonds between royal families, which could strengthen alliances or secure peace.

One notable example is the case of wardship or fostering in medieval England and France. Young heirs to thrones or titles were sometimes placed in the care of allied nobles or royals. For instance, Henry II of England sent his son, the future Richard the Lionheart, to be raised partly in the courts of Aquitaine under his mother, Eleanor, where he learned both martial and administrative skills. Similarly, in the Holy Roman Empire and among the Habsburgs, princes were often sent to allied courts to solidify dynastic ties and gain practical experience.

The practice wasn’t universal or systematic—its frequency depended on the political climate, family strategies, and the personalities involved. By the Renaissance and early modern period (e.g., 16th-17th centuries), this evolved into more formal exchanges, such as sending princes as "guests" or hostages in diplomatic arrangements. For example, Francis I of France, after being captured at the Battle of Pavia in 1525, sent his sons to the Spanish court of Charles V as part of a treaty, where they were educated and monitored.

So, while there wasn’t a standardized curriculum called "Principles of Kingship 101," the tradition of sending royal sons to other households absolutely existed and served as a hands-on way to prepare them for leadership while reinforcing ties between kingdoms. 
57:00  Government Works Scheme

1:04:00  Waiters

1:06:00  Summer jobs


1:10:00  Teens training in red-light districts

1:13:00  Beauty salons

1:21:00  Home exchanges

1:22:00  A website for people who want to sell their homes

1:24:00  Register of Religions

1:25:00  Heretical Jews considering being categorised as agnostic to avoid the stigma of being a Heretical Jew.



1:43:00  Jordan Peterson


1:45:00 Laurens van der  Post

King Charles (then Prince Charles) was notably interested in the writings and ideas of Laurens van der Post. Van der Post, a South African author, explorer, and philosopher, had a significant influence on Charles, particularly during the 1970s and beyond. Their relationship began when Charles was in his twenties, and van der Post, already an established figure, became a mentor and intellectual guide to the young prince.
Charles was drawn to van der Post’s works, which often explored themes of spirituality, nature, and the human psyche, influenced heavily by the ideas of Carl Jung. Books like The Lost World of the Kalahari and The Heart of the Hunter, which delve into the lives of the Kalahari Bushmen and broader existential questions, resonated with Charles’s growing interest in environmentalism, multiculturalism, and alternative perspectives on life. Van der Post’s emphasis on the interconnectedness of humanity and nature aligned with Charles’s own developing worldview, including his later advocacy for organic farming and holistic approaches to well-being.
Their bond went beyond mere intellectual curiosity. Charles invited van der Post on trips, such as a 1977 safari to Kenya, and regularly welcomed him to royal residences like Highgrove and Balmoral. Van der Post’s influence is also evident in Charles’s personal correspondence; in a 1986 letter to van der Post, Charles reflected on reading the Koran and understanding Islamic perspectives, suggesting van der Post encouraged his exploration of diverse cultures and philosophies. After van der Post’s death in 1996, Charles established annual lectures in his memory at St. James’s Palace, further indicating the depth of his admiration.
So, yes, Charles was not only interested in van der Post’s writings but saw him as a key figure in shaping his personal and philosophical outlook. Would you like more details about their relationship or van der Post’s specific works?

 1:48:00  What did Van Der Post say about Islam?

Laurens van der Post’s views on Islam are not as systematically documented as his writings on African cultures or Jungian philosophy, but he did express thoughts on the religion in various contexts, often with a tone of respect and curiosity. His perspective was shaped by his broad interest in spirituality, human experience, and the interconnectedness of cultures, rather than a deep theological analysis. He encountered Islam primarily through his travels and interactions, particularly in Africa and the Middle East, and his reflections tend to emphasize its cultural and spiritual dimensions over doctrinal specifics.
In his writings and conversations, van der Post often highlighted the poetic and mystical aspects of Islam. For instance, in his book Journey into Russia (1964), he briefly touches on Islamic culture during his travels through Soviet Central Asia, where he encountered Muslim communities. He was struck by the resilience of their faith under Soviet suppression, describing it with a sense of admiration for its depth and vitality. He saw Islam as a living tradition that carried a profound sense of the sacred, akin to the indigenous spiritualities he admired elsewhere.
Van der Post also referenced Islam in more personal contexts, such as in letters or discussions with figures like King Charles (then Prince Charles). In one instance, Charles wrote to van der Post in 1986 about reading the Koran, prompted by their shared interest in exploring different worldviews. While van der Post’s exact words on Islam in this exchange aren’t fully public, it’s clear he encouraged Charles to approach it with openness, likely framing it as a source of wisdom and a counterpoint to Western materialism—themes van der Post often revisited.
In his broader philosophy, van der Post tended to view religions like Islam through a Jungian lens, seeing them as expressions of the collective unconscious and repositories of archetypal truths. He was less interested in dogma and more in the human stories and symbolic richness they offered. For example, he might have appreciated the Sufi tradition within Islam—its emphasis on inner experience and unity with the divine—though he didn’t write extensively on it. 
So, while van der Post didn’t produce a definitive treatise on Islam, he spoke of it with reverence, focusing on its cultural endurance, spiritual poetry, and universal human resonance. His comments were less about specific teachings and more about its role in the tapestry of human meaning he sought to understand.

1:52:00  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurens_van_der_Post 

1:57:00  Our governments make religions for us.

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