https://purejudaism.home.blog/2019/05/05/we-need-a-new-definition-of-who-is-a-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-173
PURE JUDAISM TO RADICALISED RABBI
Claire,
Shalom. I had just a few months ago heard about your channel from a subscriber (who also happens to be a white nationalist - I am not a fan of ethnic nationalism) and checked it out. I was very confused by it (still am). I am glad you found my channel interesting enough to subscribe. I wanted to take this opportunity to give my opinions on this whole Secular Koranism you are wanting to replace Liberalism to save Western Civilization with.
First, I still can't quite wrap my head around exactly what Secular Koranism is. You mention Sharia, but I don't know what all that entails. It would be helpful if you had a page numbered or spelled out.
Second, I've heard you repeatedly ask Jews if they can agree Islam is Noahide compliant. My answer is No. I am aware that the Rambam considers Islam a monotheistic religion and Jews are not forbidden from going in a Mosque. There are others who disagree. In the context of Judaism, anyone not worshipping יהוה The God of Israel, is worshipping an idol, even if they call it God and it's the only God they worship. Sharia Law is not the Torah - even though they share many of the same moral concepts - the laws and punishments are not the same.
Third, you are stuck on the Noahide Laws, yet want Sharia, yet want Secular? This is what I find confusing. While Chabad actively push them, they are virtually unknown to the rest of Jewish society. They were made up by first Century Rabbis (I still haven't figured out why). These laws go against the Torah if practiced in the Land of Israel. You would be better off to just push the Ten Commandments in the name of Judaism. How do you even have Secular Noahide Laws? That violates the laws themselves. I think your intention is to generalize God. That actually goes against Torah by not making God Holy. Your blog is called radicalized rabbi, but your Muslim? Again, confusing.
I do not know much about Islam or the Koran. I do however live in Israel and am aware of how Arab Muslims are taught to hate Jews. I don't know how you think asking Jews to give up the Torah for Sharia in their own Land will benefit Israel.
Anyway, these are only some of my thoughts. I will not debate in.a stream. But if you would like to continue a discussion, it will need to be through email.
On Tuesday, 11 August 2020, 22:56:22 BST, pure.judaism wrote:
Claire,
Shalom. I had just a few months ago heard about your channel from a subscriber (who also happens to be a white nationalist - I am not a fan of ethnic nationalism) and checked it out.
May I know the context in which The Radicalised Rabbi was brought up? I am in fact civic nationalist, being a non-white living in the West.
I was very confused by it (still am). I am glad you found my channel interesting enough to subscribe. I wanted to take this opportunity to give my opinions on this whole Secular Koranism you are wanting to replace Liberalism to save Western Civilization with.
My contention is that Secular Koranism should be as regarded as Noahide because it is based on the Koran, the Holy Book of Muslims whose religion Islam is regarded by a consensus of rabbinical opinion as being the most Noahide observant. Secular Koranism is a New School of Sharia.
My understanding of the Noahide laws is that righteous gentiles who would not wish to blaspheme God and who wish to worship God without being idolatrous would find these laws fair enough.
First, I still can't quite wrap my head around exactly what Secular Koranism is. You mention Sharia, but I don't know what all that entails. It would be helpful if you had a page numbered or spelled out.
You may find this survey at
https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/96RQWJV helpful in assisting your understanding of Secular Koranism which is basically a New School of Sharia interpreted and applied by a legally trained ex-feminist, ex-liberal and agnostic who can see the benefits of theocracy for atheists and agnostics if such a society would bring about lower crime, lower taxes, stable marriages, stable families, a stable economy and a stable society enjoying good government..
Second, I've heard you repeatedly ask Jews if they can agree Islam is Noahide compliant. My answer is No. I am aware that the Rambam considers Islam a monotheistic religion and Jews are not forbidden from going in a Mosque. There are others who disagree. In the context of Judaism, anyone not worshipping יהוה The God of Israel, is worshipping an idol, even if they call it God and it's the only God they worship. Sharia Law is not the Torah - even though they share many of the same moral concepts - the laws and punishments are not the same.
Can it be denied that whether Islam is completely Noahide-observant or not, it is nevertheless the most Noahide-observant of all the gentile religions?
Third, you are stuck on the Noahide Laws, yet want Sharia, yet want Secular? This is what I find confusing. While Chabad actively push them, they are virtually unknown to the rest of Jewish society. They were made up by first Century Rabbis (I still haven't figured out why). These laws go against the Torah if practiced in the Land of Israel. You would be better off to just push the Ten Commandments in the name of Judaism. How do you even have Secular Noahide Laws? That violates the laws themselves. I think your intention is to generalize God. That actually goes against Torah by not making God Holy. Your blog is called radicalized rabbi, but your Muslim? Again, confusing.
I think you should simply focus on whether Islam is the most Noahide-observant of all the available gentile religions even if you think it is does not quite satisfy your rigorous standards. If Islam is not the most Noahide-observant gentile religion of all, what is?
As I understand it, the Noahide laws serve as a universal minimum standard which we should conceive of as a line on a piece of paper. Since Judaism is the religion of the people who set and maintain standards, it is above that line. My contention is that Islam is either on the line or even above it, but Christianity is bottom of the heap because it offends the prohibitions against idolatry and blasphemy. Buddhism would be ranked lower than Islam because it is atheist, Hinduism would be ranked below Buddhism because it is idolatrous. Christianity would be right at the bottom because it is both idolatrous and blasphemous. Christianity has in any case failed which means the whole of the global empire of America will fail and fall into chaos. When this happens, minorities will be targeted. To shorten the period of chaos, Jews should at least point out that the reasons why Christianity has failed and its only moral and rational replacement: the most Noahide gentile religion available. Even if their warnings will most probably be ignored, it should be on record that this was formally made.
I do not know much about Islam or the Koran. I do however live in Israel and am aware of how Arab Muslims are taught to hate Jews. I don't know how you think asking Jews to give up the Torah for Sharia in their own Land will benefit Israel.
My position is that Israel of all the countries in the world should be a theocracy but is instead a liberal democracy, which is unnecessarily divisive as well now obviously corrupt and dysfunctional. Any country that operates this system is now in a very bad way, including Israel. Israel is currently an American protectorate. Before its Islamic Revolution, Iran was a Western puppet state. After its Islamic Revolution, it was able to defy the might of America. No religious Jew can possibly be happy being the protectorate of a global empire that is very far from being Noahide and actually promotes the satanic laws of globohomo ie Transnational Progressivism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_progressivism
Shouldn't Ultra Orthodox rabbis be condemning Chabad for giving the impression that they think America - which in fact promotes globohomo - is actually Noahide?
Is Education and Sharing Day meant to make us think that Chabad has declared America Noahide?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_and_Sharing_Day
Education and Sharing Day is a day established by the United States Congress in honor of the Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson known for his views on the Noahide laws.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-noahide-laws/
"In general, in modern times, no such obligation is mandated towards non-Jews who violate the Noahide laws. A notable and forceful exception is the opinion of the late Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the last leader of Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidism. Schneerson wrote:
We must do everything possible to ensure that the seven Noahide laws are observed. If this can be accomplished through force or through other kinder and more peaceful means through explaining to non-Jews that they should accept God’s wishes [we should do so]…Anyone who is able to influence a non-Jew in any way to keep the seven commandments is obligated to do so, since that is what God commanded Moses our teacher (“Sheva Mitzvot Shel Benai Noach,” Hapardes 59:9 7-11, 5745)"
Is Education and Sharing Day a statement that the Noahide laws are the agreed objectives that the Americans have agreed to work towards?
If the latter, is America moving towards being more Noahide or less?
Anyway, these are only some of my thoughts. I will not debate in.a stream. But if you would like to continue a discussion, it will need to be through email.
Since you do not wish to engage with me on YouTube, I will put our exchange on The Radicalised Rabbi so that others may have the benefit of any sound and light generated by our discussion, which would also publicise your blog.
Discussing the Noahide laws with "Pure Judaism" 2
Discussing the Noahide laws with "Pure Judaism" 3
PURE JUDAISM TO RADICALISED RABBI
Claire,
Shalom. I had just a few months ago heard about your channel from a subscriber (who also happens to be a white nationalist - I am not a fan of ethnic nationalism) and checked it out. I was very confused by it (still am). I am glad you found my channel interesting enough to subscribe. I wanted to take this opportunity to give my opinions on this whole Secular Koranism you are wanting to replace Liberalism to save Western Civilization with.
First, I still can't quite wrap my head around exactly what Secular Koranism is. You mention Sharia, but I don't know what all that entails. It would be helpful if you had a page numbered or spelled out.
Second, I've heard you repeatedly ask Jews if they can agree Islam is Noahide compliant. My answer is No. I am aware that the Rambam considers Islam a monotheistic religion and Jews are not forbidden from going in a Mosque. There are others who disagree. In the context of Judaism, anyone not worshipping יהוה The God of Israel, is worshipping an idol, even if they call it God and it's the only God they worship. Sharia Law is not the Torah - even though they share many of the same moral concepts - the laws and punishments are not the same.
Third, you are stuck on the Noahide Laws, yet want Sharia, yet want Secular? This is what I find confusing. While Chabad actively push them, they are virtually unknown to the rest of Jewish society. They were made up by first Century Rabbis (I still haven't figured out why). These laws go against the Torah if practiced in the Land of Israel. You would be better off to just push the Ten Commandments in the name of Judaism. How do you even have Secular Noahide Laws? That violates the laws themselves. I think your intention is to generalize God. That actually goes against Torah by not making God Holy. Your blog is called radicalized rabbi, but your Muslim? Again, confusing.
I do not know much about Islam or the Koran. I do however live in Israel and am aware of how Arab Muslims are taught to hate Jews. I don't know how you think asking Jews to give up the Torah for Sharia in their own Land will benefit Israel.
Anyway, these are only some of my thoughts. I will not debate in.a stream. But if you would like to continue a discussion, it will need to be through email.
RADICALISED RABBI TO PURE JUDAISM
On Tuesday, 11 August 2020, 22:56:22 BST, pure.judaism
Claire,
Shalom. I had just a few months ago heard about your channel from a subscriber (who also happens to be a white nationalist - I am not a fan of ethnic nationalism) and checked it out.
May I know the context in which The Radicalised Rabbi was brought up? I am in fact civic nationalist, being a non-white living in the West.
I was very confused by it (still am). I am glad you found my channel interesting enough to subscribe. I wanted to take this opportunity to give my opinions on this whole Secular Koranism you are wanting to replace Liberalism to save Western Civilization with.
My contention is that Secular Koranism should be as regarded as Noahide because it is based on the Koran, the Holy Book of Muslims whose religion Islam is regarded by a consensus of rabbinical opinion as being the most Noahide observant. Secular Koranism is a New School of Sharia.
My understanding of the Noahide laws is that righteous gentiles who would not wish to blaspheme God and who wish to worship God without being idolatrous would find these laws fair enough.
First, I still can't quite wrap my head around exactly what Secular Koranism is. You mention Sharia, but I don't know what all that entails. It would be helpful if you had a page numbered or spelled out.
You may find this survey at
https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/96RQWJV helpful in assisting your understanding of Secular Koranism which is basically a New School of Sharia interpreted and applied by a legally trained ex-feminist, ex-liberal and agnostic who can see the benefits of theocracy for atheists and agnostics if such a society would bring about lower crime, lower taxes, stable marriages, stable families, a stable economy and a stable society enjoying good government..
Second, I've heard you repeatedly ask Jews if they can agree Islam is Noahide compliant. My answer is No. I am aware that the Rambam considers Islam a monotheistic religion and Jews are not forbidden from going in a Mosque. There are others who disagree. In the context of Judaism, anyone not worshipping יהוה The God of Israel, is worshipping an idol, even if they call it God and it's the only God they worship. Sharia Law is not the Torah - even though they share many of the same moral concepts - the laws and punishments are not the same.
Can it be denied that whether Islam is completely Noahide-observant or not, it is nevertheless the most Noahide-observant of all the gentile religions?
Third, you are stuck on the Noahide Laws, yet want Sharia, yet want Secular? This is what I find confusing. While Chabad actively push them, they are virtually unknown to the rest of Jewish society. They were made up by first Century Rabbis (I still haven't figured out why). These laws go against the Torah if practiced in the Land of Israel. You would be better off to just push the Ten Commandments in the name of Judaism. How do you even have Secular Noahide Laws? That violates the laws themselves. I think your intention is to generalize God. That actually goes against Torah by not making God Holy. Your blog is called radicalized rabbi, but your Muslim? Again, confusing.
I think you should simply focus on whether Islam is the most Noahide-observant of all the available gentile religions even if you think it is does not quite satisfy your rigorous standards. If Islam is not the most Noahide-observant gentile religion of all, what is?
As I understand it, the Noahide laws serve as a universal minimum standard which we should conceive of as a line on a piece of paper. Since Judaism is the religion of the people who set and maintain standards, it is above that line. My contention is that Islam is either on the line or even above it, but Christianity is bottom of the heap because it offends the prohibitions against idolatry and blasphemy. Buddhism would be ranked lower than Islam because it is atheist, Hinduism would be ranked below Buddhism because it is idolatrous. Christianity would be right at the bottom because it is both idolatrous and blasphemous. Christianity has in any case failed which means the whole of the global empire of America will fail and fall into chaos. When this happens, minorities will be targeted. To shorten the period of chaos, Jews should at least point out that the reasons why Christianity has failed and its only moral and rational replacement: the most Noahide gentile religion available. Even if their warnings will most probably be ignored, it should be on record that this was formally made.
I do not know much about Islam or the Koran. I do however live in Israel and am aware of how Arab Muslims are taught to hate Jews. I don't know how you think asking Jews to give up the Torah for Sharia in their own Land will benefit Israel.
My position is that Israel of all the countries in the world should be a theocracy but is instead a liberal democracy, which is unnecessarily divisive as well now obviously corrupt and dysfunctional. Any country that operates this system is now in a very bad way, including Israel. Israel is currently an American protectorate. Before its Islamic Revolution, Iran was a Western puppet state. After its Islamic Revolution, it was able to defy the might of America. No religious Jew can possibly be happy being the protectorate of a global empire that is very far from being Noahide and actually promotes the satanic laws of globohomo ie Transnational Progressivism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_progressivism
Shouldn't Ultra Orthodox rabbis be condemning Chabad for giving the impression that they think America - which in fact promotes globohomo - is actually Noahide?
Is Education and Sharing Day meant to make us think that Chabad has declared America Noahide?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_and_Sharing_Day
Education and Sharing Day is a day established by the United States Congress in honor of the Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson known for his views on the Noahide laws.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-noahide-laws/
"In general, in modern times, no such obligation is mandated towards non-Jews who violate the Noahide laws. A notable and forceful exception is the opinion of the late Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the last leader of Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidism. Schneerson wrote:
We must do everything possible to ensure that the seven Noahide laws are observed. If this can be accomplished through force or through other kinder and more peaceful means through explaining to non-Jews that they should accept God’s wishes [we should do so]…Anyone who is able to influence a non-Jew in any way to keep the seven commandments is obligated to do so, since that is what God commanded Moses our teacher (“Sheva Mitzvot Shel Benai Noach,” Hapardes 59:9 7-11, 5745)"
Is Education and Sharing Day a statement that the Noahide laws are the agreed objectives that the Americans have agreed to work towards?
If the latter, is America moving towards being more Noahide or less?
Anyway, these are only some of my thoughts. I will not debate in.a stream. But if you would like to continue a discussion, it will need to be through email.
Since you do not wish to engage with me on YouTube, I will put our exchange on The Radicalised Rabbi so that others may have the benefit of any sound and light generated by our discussion, which would also publicise your blog.
Discussing the Noahide laws with "Pure Judaism" 2
Discussing the Noahide laws with "Pure Judaism" 3
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