Talking to John Gischala and Von about Secular Koranism from 1:42:00

Curious Gazelle on Millennial Woes, the US and its vassal states

https://t.co/5x0n6DGn1S

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 4, 2023

 

https://t.co/qBrAYrjFXX

— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) August 4, 2023

7:00  Northern English Pakistani accent of Sulaiman Ahmed

Not a neo-traditionalist like Abdul Hakim Murad

10:00  Verses in the Koran relevant to interpretation

11:00  Millennial Woes

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2019/03/will-millennial-woes-have-deleted-my.html 

18:00  Gay phase

19:00  Defending Millennial Woes on Luke Ford

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2020/09/when-millennial-woes-and-i-were-in-live.html

23:00  Gazelle calls MW "superhandsome". 

26:00  Morrison on Brittney

27:00  Morrison probably wanted an intelligent woman who wasn't always undermining him.  

29:00  MW's teeth

30:00  Nymphomania

32:00  https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal

33:00  https://twitter.com/TheBasedBaal

35:00  Paul Williams

https://twitter.com/uMarhobane

37:00  Antisemites

38:00  I am nice.

43:00  Hedgehog

45:00  What I said about Iran rejecting representative democracy.

46:00  "You can't unthink Secular Koranism."

47:00  Jewish hypnotist

48:00  Tate deceiving Jews

50:00  Top Girl Kiko

51:00  Gazelle blocked by Andrew Tate.

54:00  Theology of Christianity

56:00  Roosh V

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V

58:00  Romania

Social conservatives in America pre-labelled as domestic terrorists and white supremacists.

59:00  Stefan Molyneux

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux

1:01:00  Australia, Canada and New Zealand are British territories.

1:02:00  Governor General

1:04:00  The strategic importance of Australia for the American Empire

1:05:00  China

1:08:00  US naval bases

KEBEBASAN - FREEDOM

1. Pada mulanya kebebasan diterima baik oleh masyarakat manusia.

2. Ia mencerminkan keprihatinan dan keadilan manusia yang bertamadun. Kebebasan bersuara, kebebasan media cetak dan radio memang hak semua rakyat. Maka pihak Kerajaan pun akan ketahui pendapat…

— Dr Mahathir Mohamad (@chedetofficial) August 4, 2023

1:11:00  Ukraine 

Explaining Secular Koranism to a skeptical but masculine white South African Islamophobe

https://t.co/vnfCK4MdT7

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 3, 2023

1:00  Leading questions on lunch

6:00  The Zoo

7:00  Robert the principled and masculine South African

14:00  End Times by Peter Turchin review – can we predict the collapse of societies?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/28/end-times-by-peter-turchin-review-elites-counter-elites-and-path-of-political-disintegration-can-we-identify-cyclical-trends-in-narrative-of-human-hope-and-failure?CMP=share_btn_tw

 25:00  Secular Koranism - coming to the rescue of Western civilisation!

26:00  HEDGEHOG says thing are not that bad.

29:00  ROBERT DUIGAN thinks Islamic world is more likely to survive.

32:00  Decline of Rome

35:00  Decline of religion

38:00  GAZELLE summarises Robert's history lesson. 

Julius Evola

39:00  Race as religion

40:00  Do we underestimate the resilience of Western civilisation?

44:00  British expected to pay reparations too. 

47:00  Pakistan still a representative democracy.

48:00  Rotating monarchy

Ian Dallas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdalqadir_as-Sufi

50:00  Cape Town

51:00  Abdul Hakim Murad

56:00  Political problems of the West rooted in religion?

How is it not rational to have religion?

58:00  Moral systems include secular political ideologies and religions.

China over the centuries has changed.

59:00  Roman civilisation and its proposed bachelor tax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Huning 

1:00:00  Confucianism

1:03:00  Territorial integrity of China

1:04:00  Monarchy

1:05:00  Democracy

1:06:00  Double bureaucracy

HEDGEHOG speaks.

1:10:00  The wrong religion

1:11:00  Cliodynamics

1:13:00  A consumer's guide to religion

1:15:00  Cliodynamics is a pseudoscience.

1:18:00  Jewish theology

1:19:00  Muslims, marriage and eugenics

1:20:00  Attitudes towards marriage affect our behaviour

1:22:00  Treating unmarried parents as sex offenders

1:23:00  Appealing to a higher power ie the Fourth Estate

1:24:00  The ruling classes are incompetent and corrupt.

1:25:00   Islamophobia and Trump supporters

1:26:00  An official religion for America and Europe

1:27:00  More than one interpretation of history

1:28:00  The UK is the biggest US vassal state.

1:29:00  Hierarchy and God

1:30:00  Democracy has become a religion. 

1:31:00  Nice and nasty forms of persuasion

1:31:00  The bargain between God and Man

1:33:00  Cause and effect of suffering

1:34:00  CIA, the media, UNESCO and NGOs

1:35:00  Rothschilds

1:36:00  The Emperor's New Clothes

1:37:00  Peter Turchin as Hari Seldon?

1:39:00  Storytelling

1:40:00  Remorse, Repentance and Redemption

1:41:00  1977 to 1993

1:42:00  Apartheid

1:43:00  Afrikaans v British

1:44:00  Rhodesia

1:46:00  1996

1:48:00  Black on black violence

1:49:00  Female Dutch journalist

1:50:00  Background

1:51:00  Apartheid a working class movement

1:52:00  Cornish workers brought trade unionism

1:53:00  Brandy taxes

1:58:00  White people in South Africa

2:00:00  Religion

2:01:00  Liberals in South Africa in reality denial

2:04:00  My friend's South African boss

2:05:00  "White South Africans are lower middle class philistines

2:06:00  Irish-German Catholic Americans

2:08:00  Fancy private schools teach Critical Race Theory

2:10:00  School rugby chants

2:11:00  St Benedict's Catholic School

2:12:00  South African masculinity

2:13:00  Social revolution in university

2:14:00  Removing Afrikaans from the curriculum

2:15:00  Linguistic and racial barriers

2:16:00  Declining birth rate in Russia

2:17:00  Battle-hardened men

2:18:00  Russia's cosmopolitan population

2:19:00  Religion and the Koran

2:20:00  Christianity and Secular Koranism

2:21:00  First Amendment supported by the Koran.

2:22:00  The laws in the Koran are fair enough. 

2:23:00  American, French and Russian Revolutions were rejections of Christianity and monarchy.

2:24:00  Convincing the elite of Secular Koranism

2:25:00  "the corpse of Islam"

2:26:00  "You can't sell people a value system on the basis of a nihilistic argument."

This is a non sequitur. A value system cannot by definition be nihilistic. 

2:27:00  Marriage as a child protection scheme is beyond debate. 

2:31:00  The ruling classes

2:32:00  The absolute monarch desires to be loved. 

2:33:00  GAZELLLE rejoins. 

Walk on By by Dionne Warwick

2:34:00  Culture

2:36:00  Minorities

2:37:00  Why South Africans are more masculine.

2:38:00  Culture and values

2:39:00  Traditions

2:40:00  Atheist funerals

2:41:00  Traditions and values

2:42:00  British values

2:43:00  Idioms

2:46:00  Too many chiefs, not enough Indianss.

Gulf States are luxury welfare states.

2:47:00  Fearing a higher power

2:50:00  Procrastination

2:51:00  The Organised Mind

2:52:00  Morrison on gentrification

2:43:00  Homo solo

2:56:00  Uighurs in Xinjiang

3:12:00 The First Emperor of China burning books

3:13:00  Pakistan and Bangladesh

3:18:00  Commerce would make people nicer towards each other. 

3:20:00  Chain migration

3:21:00  Muhajirs similar to white British people.

3:35:00  Civic nationalism

3:37:00  British Rationalism

3:38:00  Anti-intellectualism

3:39:00  Atheist Rationalism and Theist Rationalism

3:40:00  Rational Nationalism

PHIL GOODMAN joins.

3:41:00  Lying Pakistanis

3:54:00  Antisemitic

3:55:00  ROBERT DUIGAN rejoins.

3:56:00  Evacuation of South Africans

4:02:00  Argentina

4:15:00  Annihilation

4:17:00  Covid

Talking to Hedgehog on whether university education affects gender relations

https://t.co/pUviRTeOd0

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 2, 2023

12:00  Stream begins.

14:00  Me as therapist

15:00  My therapist's voice

17:00  Broken relationships and the seven year itch 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_seven-year_itch

19:00  Disposable relationships

21:00  Our government is encouraging us to destroy ourselves.

23:00  A quasi divorce even if the couple were not married

24:00  Why fornication was forbidden

26:00  Public schoolboys, Will Knowland, Trendy Hendy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9022219/My-life-Eton-Trendy-Hendys-woke-revolution.html

28:00  Aristocracy of Anglican public schoolboys

31:00  Grammar school = hardworking and clever

32:00  Streaming in comprehensive schools

33:00  Melanie Phillips

34:00  Marriage

35:00  Try before you buy.

36:00  Free marital counselling and Matrimonial Disputes Tribunals

https://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2023/07/marriage-under-secular-koranism.html

37:00  Conditions of marriage

39:00  Appointing a Friend of the Marriage

40:00  I propose that Tribunal Members of Matrimonial Disputes Tribunals be chosen from a pool of Friends of Marriages ie people chosen by every couple to be the friend of their marriage.

41:00  We act on our beliefs.

42:00  Restoring the patriarchy

43:00  Women only put up with men for economic reasons.

44:00  Abolishing equal pay

45:00  Female education

46:00  University education

47:00  The university experience and student debt

49:00  Dime a dozen academics

51:00  Scholarships and female graduates working as lap dancers with accounts on Only Fans

52:00  Vested interests in the matriarchy

54:00  Marriageability of male graduates affected by their student loans

55:00  Older mothers

56:00  Pro-feminist legislation

58:00  Justice Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh

1:01:00  Burden of proof

1:03:00  Deuteronomy 19:15

https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/19-15.htm

1:05:00  No graduates

1:08:00  Anecdotal evidence

1:09:00  Hypergamy

1:11:00  High IQ female graduates who die childless

1:12:00  Unrealistic expectations

1:14:00  Long marriages

1:16:00  Arranged marriages

1:17:00  What are the rules of marriage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthippe

Sam Harris acknowledges the need to have a non-sectarian moral system Americans can agree to

Wow, even Sam Harris isn't really a New Atheist anymore. He's like Weston in Perelandra right before he becomes the unman. https://t.co/e4Gg2vWYic

— Paul Vander Klay (@PaulVanderKlay) July 27, 2023

Lewis was a Christian and Christians are already damned and cursed by God for worshiping an executed blasphemer as the co-equal of the God of Israel who is also Allah.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

Is Sam Harris now pre-Islamic? https://t.co/GydQxQNytv

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

Sam Harris could be a secular theocrat.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

Perhaps Sam Harris no longer plans to vote Biden in 2024.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

Perhaps being a married father living in the United States of Sodom and Gomorrah has changed his mind about being a libtard.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

I am sure Sam Harris, however dumb he is, is not going to swallow the trash of the Trinity hook, line and sinker. We don't even know if Jordan Peterson believes in God.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

3:00 Sam Harris talks about Jesus. When he realises Jesus is deceased and Jews and Muslims think worshiping Jesus is idolatry and blasphemy which God has forbidden in His Commandments, maybe he will come closer to the idea of a theocracy and America having an official religion. https://t.co/GydQxQNytv

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

It seems Sam Harris now wants unconditional love too dumb to know that even God doesn't get unconditional love. The condition is that God has to be believed to exist before He can be loved. But perhaps it is enough that we wish God to exist to save us from the shit of libtardery.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

4:00 "The testimony of Jesus and Buddha" - This is nonsense. What did either of them "testify" about? The Islamophobic Sam Harris ignores the more important figure of Muhammad, conspicuous precisely because he is deliberately unmentioned.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

6:00 Sam Harris: "A literal belief [in God?] cannot be justified from what we understand of science." Did scientists claim to be able to detect the existence or non-existence of God using their scientific instruments? Science and philosophy are different branches of knowledge.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

7:30 What would Christian ethics and Christian insight be based on? What in the New Testament could be the basis of any system of ethics? It's just the testimony of moral and fallible men of dubious provenance claiming to have met an executed blasphemer.

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

11:00 Sam Harris knows that the Fourth Estate has lost all credibility in the way that the boy who cried wolf once too often has lost his credibility. When will he and Jordan Peterson be discussing pragmatic and inclusive Secular Koranism available at https://t.co/lMpfR1XLf8?

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

Suggested topics for estuary meetings

New England Meetup and Sample Estuary Meeting August 2 7:00pm at Pleasant Street Christian Reformed. All are welcome. https://t.co/uLcwth7qat

— Paul Vander Klay (@PaulVanderKlay) July 26, 2023

Topics
1. Whether it is a good thing that America has no official religion
2. What should be America's official religion? (It would be unAmerican to pass a Christian Amendment.)
3. Whether future estuary meetings should discuss https://t.co/lMpfR1XLf8 as the way out of the swamp

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023

How Americans and Europeans can resolve the meaning crisis

BREAKWATER FESTIVAL in Germany (27-29/10/23) w/ speakers @PaulVanderKlay, @AndreaLynnLewis, @thsteininger01. Join us for a weekend of talks & convos. Find friends, fellowship and community to navigate the meaning crisis. Early bird tickets til 31/08. https://t.co/cThpvoRdYd pic.twitter.com/UkcwjfgeFc

— Das Erwachen aus der Sinnkrise (@deads_pdcst) July 21, 2023

1. How can there be meaning if most Westerners are atheists and nihilists unable to defend a principle because they have none?
2. Did the American Republic end Christendom?
3. Did liberalism end when the 2020 election was stolen?
4. What will be America's official religion?

— Mary Q Contrary AKA Complementary Schismogenesis (@Book_of_Rules) August 1, 2023