Secular liberal diaspora Jew Bret Stephens and religious nationalist Israeli Jew Yoram Hazony discuss nationalism

Bret Stephens has the demeanour of a sulky adolescent. You long to hear Hazony say "Look at me when I'm talking to you!"

32:00 Hazony makes Stephens eat his neocon words.

46:00 Hazony - who has nine children - questions globohomo and rising illegitimacy.

47:00 Revolting nationalists are turning to religious traditionalists.

"Nothing that we've inherited from the past is going to survive this permanent revolution where we overthrow one thing after another in the name of freedom."

"There isn't going to be an America there isn't they aren't going to be European countries a generation or two from now at the rate that we're going."

48:00 "The West is heading for civil war. It's a joke that we're talking about America governing the world when it cannot govern itself."

52:00 White nationalists mentioned.

54:00 WASPs

58:00 The open society

59:00 Hongkong protesters

1:00:00 The Chinese are sensible, the Americans are silly.

1:14:00 American footprint

1:16:00 Christianity

1:18:00 John Stuart Mill

1:19:00 KKK and immigration

1:20:00 Absorb and assimilate, too many. Deportation project

1:23:00 The American Right

1:24:00 Fear and anger

1:25:00 Beguiling ideas of nationalism

1:26:00 Nationalism and Conservatism

1:27:00 Liberal thinkers

1:28:00 "The old time religion", right-wing collectivism = nationalism

1:29:00 "Nationalism is here."

1:30:00 Americans don't want to be the policeman of the world.

1:31:00 American allies are really American protectorates.

1:33:00 "The American people have had enough."
"Nationalism is a given."