10:47 AM
@βρεττς
All the text remarkably claims that believers can rejoice even in suffering, since suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character, and character produces hope. (Rom 5)
10:51 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Is Bible Reading "endurance"?
10:52 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Allah is best of schemers.
10:53 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG I already have the Bible. Christians suffer from having low status scripture in that the New Testament is not from God, and they had to steal the scripture of Jews.
10:53 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
Isn't the crusification a deception according to Islam?
10:53 AM
@teestrypzSOG
Claire are you saying Allah is a fraudster?
10:54 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@YoavBressler Islam offers Christians the chance to think fond thoughts of Jesus and Mary without believing in nonsense ie that Jesus is God and Mary Mother of God.
10:55 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
In Surah An-Nisa (4:157–158), it states (paraphrased):They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him — but it was made to appear so to them… rather, God raised him up to Himself.
10:55 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG It just means Allah if He exists will continue to allow those who deceive themselves to continue deceiving themselves.
10:56 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@YoavBressler And Christians will say "But we *want* Jesus to die and be sacrificed for our sins!!! And we want to drink his blood and eat his flesh!!"
10:58 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Islam is absolutely logical and has the force of gravity on the minds of those who want to enjoy the afterlife. If they do not believe in that sort of thing, they are Hell-bound hypocrites.
10:59 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
There is only one Abrahamic God. Therefore the different Abrahamic religions are but alternative routes to the afterlife in the better place. Better avoid the one that requires idolatry, eh?
11:00 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Why did the Jefferson Bible omit the Pauline Epistles, Americans?
11:00 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
"Re. Islam being logical - "Punkt fakert
11:01 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@YoavBressler What's so illogical about Islam? It is the synthesis of Judaism and Christianity.
11:01 AM
@βρεττς
Morality
11:01 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
The question is if God is beyond logic.
11:01 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
The danger of telling lies is that eventually you will lie to yourselves.
11:02 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Say EXTRAMARITAL SEX.
11:02 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#3
The idea of choice
11:02 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@YoavBressler Your rabbi if you had one would say that God is absolutely logical, even if you don't understand His logic.
11:03 AM
@YoavBressler
#2
The prophet Micaiah describes a heavenly scene in which:God allows a “lying spirit” to enter the mouths of King Ahab’s prophets to mislead him into battle.
11:03 AM
@βρεττς
Jeremiah too right
11:03 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
If we suffer, we are either being punished for our sins or we are being tested to see if we deserve something better than what we already have.
11:04 AM
@βρεττς
Fake prophet at least
11:04 AM
@βρεττς
We’re not persecuted here, but Christians are persecuted
11:04 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@YoavBressler Christians are accustomed to lying to themselves since they have done so for centuries. Where did they get the Big Idea of the Trinity from? Some guy called Athanasius?
11:05 AM
@teestrypzSOG
Muslims and Jews got us beat on that ngl
11:05 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Social conservatives have been marginalised. Soon, facts and logic will be outlawed.
11:06 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Westerners are being driven crazy by the number of lies they are supposed to believe in. The cognitive dissonance must be intolerable.
11:07 AM
@βρεττς
They were impressed by how they cared for their children as well as their own. They used to dispose of children.
11:07 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
I hope people will have a listen to my stream on The Idiot by Dostoevsky. Orthoboneheads know very little about Russian history and would not be readers of Dostoevsky, being plebs.
11:08 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#3
That’s so real though Scott
11:09 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Nihilism came from Russia. Turgenev had a character who was a nihilist. It is not a new thing.
11:10 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Nihilism happens when people believe that their government has been lying to them for generations going back to the 4th century.
11:11 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG Race is just an aspect of our identity.
11:12 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Religion is the only way we can show our moral agency. We are stuck with our parents, race, sex and age.
11:12 AM
@teestrypzSOG
Olson would have taken a knee, they’ll stone you round these parts if you don’t think George’s a druggie and the knee on his neck did nothing
11:13 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@Eolson-helper Can you apply the principle of OPPORTUNITY COST to idolatry? If you are an idolater, you are paying the price of not being rightly guided by the Koran.
11:13 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG Americans have no principles because they have no OFFICIAL MORAL SYSTEM.
11:14 AM
@teestrypzSOG
@ootlam do you accept Christ as your LORD and saviour?
11:15 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
There is no principle of jihad in the New Testament because the purpose of Christianity is to get Christians to shut up and pray to Jesus when they are upset: no thinking, no talking, no rebellion.
11:16 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG I only submit to Truth, Logic and Morality. The Trinity is morally and intellectually indefensible. It is morally indefensible because it is idolatry.
11:18 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
It is a shame Americans cannot accept that the Founding Fathers founded their republic to reject the political system of absolute monarchy supported by Christianity.
11:19 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
The law is the only way of maintaining morality, so choose your moral system. It is not that hard to understand.
11:19 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#3
Psalm 69 for me feels like emotional and spiritual turmoil by ways of pointing at injustice and improper persecution —> yet still an acceptance and trusting in and glory to God. It’s quite powerful
11:20 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
The rules are like a ladder.
11:21 AM
@teestrypzSOG
We do have the knowledge of good and of evil
11:22 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Jacob's ladder represents the legal system. Jews and gentiles continue to wrestle with the interpretation of God's laws.
11:22 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@teestrypzSOG What God commands is good, what He forbids is evil.
11:22 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#3
Tayo, but do you think we have forgotten? And we spend live re-membering this knowing?
11:23 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@SeekingGenuine If you forget, God's laws are not contained in the New Testament.
11:25 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#3
Have you seen the movie “iron giant”, Tayo!
11:25 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
The Jefferson Bible was presumably making the point that whatever Jesus taught, you can't make much of it.
11:26 AM
@stefaniecristos8514
Psalm 69 asks God to pour out his wrath on those who mistreated us. and gives suggestions for how to do that. Very human!
11:26 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
Do Christians know what is idolatry?
11:26 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#3
It’s as though we are the iron giant in that movie, that exploded into pieces across the earth at our first fall and we are spending our life finding our pieces and making ourself whole again
11:27 AM
@teestrypzSOG
Claire can definitely get into people’s head. I’m watching it happen in real time😂
11:27 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
I am not trying to fight the Holy Spirit! Just the stubbornness of Americans. Maybe that is more powerful than the Holy Spirit!
11:28 AM
@SeekingGenuine
#3
And as above so below, each human seems to me to be a piece of the whole, dispersed over time and space and we have to continuously find one another and seek wholeness in that way too
11:29 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
@SeekingGenuine We just have to imagine ourselves to be friendless orphans without families to offend tasked to govern a republic properly and to choose for it a religion.
11:29 AM
@OOOTLAM
#1
What have said that is inaccurate?
11:29 AM
@teestrypzSOG
How you gonna stop her?
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