Saturday, 13 June 2026

Luke Thompson's Instant Jonathan Pageau & Gavin Ortlund "Who can be saved?" Stream


33:00  You just don't like losing, admit it. If you have lost, why not just admit it, instead of pretending the winner is a demon?  That's just being a sore loser.

35:00  If you have any convictions, be prepared to argue about them. Convictions are not defective infants to be protected from the scrutiny of a curious world.

37:00  Why not just consider yourself Unitarian, like the Founding Fathers?

44:00  Agnosticism is the most intellectually respectable position to take. 

48:00  God is not inside His Creation ie in the universe.

50:00  There is no salvation for idolaters. 

1:05:00  Now, even the principles of Orthodox Christianity are in the course of being diluted.

1:06:00  The attraction of the Orthodox Church is precisely because it is foreign to their own traditions, full of "woo", rigour, mystery and mumbo jumbo.  American Christians feel rather betrayed by the American and European kinds of Christianity. 

But is this fair? Why should Americans expect social clubs - which is what churches are - to enforce morality? US laws after all emanate from Congress and are enforced by the arms of their government.

1:07:00 Wow, spoons in alcohol!  That is rather worse than Mark Parker complaining about communion wine in plastic cups. Can't get a decent chalice these days!

1:11:00  "But you said ... !" Yes, your wife was only going by what you said, and you keep refusing to define your words either because you cannot, or because you prefer to leave everyone in a state of neurotic suspension not knowing what on earth you meant.  "It is the prerogative of the woman to change her mind." But if men start doing that too, the goose of your civilisation is pretty much cooked. 

1:12:00  The Man Upstairs gets to decide.

1:14:00  Why can't Americans understand that Christianity was adopted to defend the divine right to rule of Roman emperors who were absolute monarchs? And why can't they acknowledge that Catholicism utterly failed to do so when the Roman Empire crashed and burned? Edward Gibbon attributed the decline and fall of the Roman Empire to Christianity. The Founding Fathers would have known about that because they would have read Gibbon, who interestingly converted to Catholicism before he was told by his father to convert back to Anglicanism or lose his inheritance.

1:16:00  This life is an examination hall. Not every candidate will pass the exam of telling the difference between good and evil in theory and in practice. This is especially true if they do not even conceive of God correctly and think he is Jesus. 

1:26:00  Surely Christians should care enough about their Christianity to ask themselves which denomination is the most powerful of all? Don't they care who won the Wars of the Reformation and why? Orthodox Christianity was eclipsed during the Cold War but is being adopted now by White/Christian Nationalist types because they were told by E Michael Jones that race cannot be your religion.  

In fact, making race your religion has been tried by the Russians with Pan-Slavism. 

Americans and Europeans would be well advised to not re-use that parachute that never opened for Russians and East Europeans of the Orthodox Church. 

Sadly, even Russian Presidents and political scientists like Dugin still don't get it and still want Russia to identify with Orthodox Christianity. 

But if Christian imperialism is failing, what makes Americans think Christian nationalism is the answer, particularly in America where the church is separated from their state?

If successful, it would only lead to a Christian Amendment, and a Christian  Amendment would mean the implicit repeal of the First Amendment. 

There is no such separation of church and state in any European kingdom because the monarch is supported by the established church.

1:32:00  Western social conservatives would think Christianity is their first port of call if they want to restore the patriarchy, but it cannot be done this way in the American Republic because of the well-established principle of separating the church and state. The Founding Fathers were heretical Christians who rejected the Trinity. For a while, the Unitarian Church became influential and there were even Unitarian Presidents. Now, the only way to restore the patriarchy in a constitutional republic would be in the way I propose using a legal system which is based on the Koran which supports the First Amendment with 2:256.

1:35:00  JimBob and his associates are basically non-Catholic Groypers.

1:46:00  The Trinity is totemic of Christianity, so you basically have to worship the Trinity or at least pretend to and also be confirmed in order to claim Christian identity. It's actually nothing to do with being a nice guy approved of by Luke!

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