11:07 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
How can idolaters who worship a man be doing the right thing with regard to their afterlife?
11:08 AM
@Eolson-helper
not being discussed
11:08 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
Brett talked about "doing the right thing".
11:08 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Moral courage is admitting that you might be wrong, Ron
11:08 AM
@Eolson-helper
in ref matt 18:15-20
11:09 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
Religion is not just "chasing the woo" like you are chasing rainbows.
11:12 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
If you see Christians - who are the world's most powerful and biggest religious group pretending to worship a Jew executed for blasphemy as the co-equal of God, shouldn't you say something?
11:13 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
If Jews and Muslims are too fearful of these warlike Christians to point out the idolatry of the Trinity, I must reluctantly step into the breach because no one else is going to do it, are they?
11:13 AM
@Eolson-helper
there name is Christian - hopefully we don't pretend
11:14 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
A cohesive group is when members of the group are agreed on the beliefs, values and principles of that religion. Christianity has no codified principles and Christians hate discussing principles.
11:15 AM
@Eolson-helper
So you say. not my experience with you though.
11:15 AM
@teestrypzSOG
that's such a cool way of animefying PVK's vocation "He's carrying the skill of three generations of men who are able to cut you deeply"
11:15 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
If you are a Trinitarian Christian, you are supposed to worship the Trinity. Jews and Muslims think it is idolatry but Christians never care because they don't think God exists to punish them.
11:16 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#3
@Eolson-helper What is not your experience with me?
11:17 AM
@teestrypzSOG
the message matters more than where it's coming from
11:17 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
The medium is the message.
11:17 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
PVK is atheist.
11:17 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#3
well the goodness of the message matters more than where it's coming from
11:18 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
It is easier to judge truth than "goodness".
11:19 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Let us not distract ourselves with definitions of good and bad faith. When people accuse you of arguing in bad faith, it is because they hate what you say but have no counter-arguments.
11:19 AM
@teestrypzSOG
what is a woman? A woman, like a man is also a receiver of information?
11:20 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
A true Christian is a Muslim.
11:20 AM
@Eolson-helper
OSK - do not remember me? don't talk about your 'general Christian' engaged with me and what you remember from our conversations
11:20 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Eolson-helper I have no idea what you are referring to.
11:22 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
It's always vague stuff and never concrete examples.
11:22 AM
@teestrypzSOG
Olson, she doesn't speak to people, she speaks to a strawman version of themodels the person represents.
11:22 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
This is just Christians playing at being humble at not discussing anything worthwhile.
11:23 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
This stream should be titled HOW TO DEAL WITH YOUR INTERNAL ENEMIES.
11:23 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
'coming to you as a brother" and "coming to you as a woman" mean such different things 😂
11:23 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
Claire, are you backstage?
11:23 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Christians don't want to discuss anything or even appear to be discussing anything worthwhile.
11:24 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@teestrypzSOG No. I actually hate waiting for my turn to speak.
11:24 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@Eolson-helper Don't you agree with my suggested title?
11:26 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
@teestrypzSOG I don't want to raise the hackles on @Eolson-helper's neck and make him say "Now, now, Claire, you mustn't talk about anything in your book if I allow you to speak."
11:27 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
The best way to deal with your internal enemies in your group is use the rules. But Christians have no codified principles, oh dear!
11:28 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#1
I hope to see the look on your face moments before and after your knees bow and your tongue declares that "Jesus is Lord"
11:28 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
How can Christians enforce principles they don't have?
11:29 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@teestrypzSOG I hope to see the look on your face the moment you realise God is not Jesus.
11:30 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
Christians don't fear excommunication because there are so many other churches they could go to. Christianity is a group with no leader and no powers of expulsion.
11:30 AM
@YoavBressler
I like seeing the look s on your faces here and now when we are just us mortals.
11:30 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
maybe I'm right, maybe you're wrong. We'll find out the day after the world ends (I wouldn't recommend waiting that long to make Christ Lord of your life).
11:31 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
who'll get stung first?
11:31 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@teestrypzSOG Jews and Muslims agree on the oneness of God. This means God is 66% more likely to be what they think than be a man called Jesus.
11:33 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
I have already explained the purpose of the Trinity : to allow Christians to win the argument against Jews who will say their God of Israel is more powerful than the crucified Christ.
11:34 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@teestrypzSOG I am just trying to tell Westerners that idolatry is its own punishment even if God does not exist to punish anyone for anything.
11:34 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#1
@Eolson-helper When will you discuss the OPPORTUNITY COST of not being rightly guided by the Koran?
11:35 AM
@teestrypzSOG
#2
I want to be like Olson when I grow up
11:35 AM
@OfficialSecularKoranism
#2
Ha! I have done more for Christian Fellowship than PVK!
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Dealing With Sin in the Church
15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
Jews and Muslims have a duty to tell Christians that they are guilty of the mortal sin of idolatry.
When these Christians shrug their shoulders indifferently, Jews and Muslims should point out that hypocrites are Hell-bound, according to the Koran.
When these Christians again shrug their shoulders indifferently because they do not think God exists to punish anyone for anything, ask Christians why they pretend to worship a man executed for blasphemy.
When these Christians say they only identify with Christianity because of Western imperialism, propose Islamic imperial reform through Secular Koranism with American Characteristics and point out to them that the best Christian is a Muslim since Islam accepts the prophethood of Jesus and the Virgin Birth.
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